“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.

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    …But it’s okay for people to run many, many GoFundMe pages that support Trump’s legal affairs. Got it.’

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    Absolutely a double standard but an easy to imagine one. I was just thinking how the right used GoFundMe for that racist prick Rittenhouse (among others).

    Can we just have our class warfare already? It’s ok to kill black folks not heaven forbid you actually eat the rich.

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      What’s most ironic to me is that gofundme is often used by those who have been denied insurance coverage to get help to pay for medical treatment. I guess at this point they’re just dipping into the “please support the salt party, as slugs for salt, that’s where we want our money to go.”

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      Don’t eat the rich, that’s inefficient (and unappetizing, as the vast majority are a majority of plastic, etc.) Use them as fertilizer and feed the world. 🤌🏼 Get that polymer-eating mycelium, and we’re really cookin’ without a fossil-fueled doom, eh?

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                Well if it’s Durban Poison or some derivative hybrid then you may be drawn to what TO pay attention to but your use seems to attribute the sort of Indica being in play which basically just deteriorates any you may have left right off the bat.

                You’re of intuitive understanding and being stoned doesn’t attribute to one’s ability in such. Not that you aren’t rather that you are so well knowledge of the matter that even if such were, you can, as you seem to have called, are so well knowing that even that is unable to tear from the wells of your immediate comprehension .

                It was quite the attempt to complement in a sense of despite your own claim.

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    I’m confused. Why is this not allowed? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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      GoFundMe’s terms and conditions, however, are pretty clear. Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.”

      (S)

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        Unless the criminal is wealthy, like Trump. Then they can have all the money.

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            Depends, is he a grotesquely corrupt, bigoted Christian white nationalist (since Italians are allowed to be considered white now)? That seems to be the kind of person America wants.

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        It’s so weird how they allow January 6th insurrectionists to have GoFundMes with no problems. Very weird indeed.

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        But we don’t want to tip him for the crime he committed; we want to tip him for supporting healthcare access!

        …also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?

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          …also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?

          Automatic refunds. Something something ‘donor protection program’… That’s also in their terms.

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          People who contribute to these accounts won’t lose their money—GoFundMe’s giving guarantee ensures donors a full refund in case of misuse or other problems with a fundraiser.

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    Huh? Isn’t he entitled to the best defence he can get?

    Innocent until proven guilty, remember.

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    The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

    More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.

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      They either can’t see what’s going on, or they can’t admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.

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        I mean, the vast majority of poor and uneducated voted for Privatized Healthcare, so that’s not really true. Plus, Luigi wasn’t exactly poor, he worked in the tech industry.

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          Working in the tech industry isn’t enough money to be immune from worries health care costs. A bad injury or illness can rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions in bills.

          A kid who’s been out of school for a few years could maybe have made a few hundred thousand. There are rare unicorns that might get totally insane compensation right out of school but I doubt there are many 26 year olds getting 1 million+ total compensation in tech.

          Anyway, making a few hundred thousand a year isn’t poor but when you’re looking at healthcare, political influence or the legal system, that money most certainly isn’t rich.

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          A friend of mine had a very well paying job in tech. Then she had a major injury. Without money paid by her well off parents she would have died. Insurance was stingy as hell.

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              Ok, so now instead of ‘eat the rich’ we’re going ‘eat everyone except for the absolute poor’, right?

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                I’m just saying the image most people have of Luigi Mangione is pure fiction.

                The rich should always have been afraid, but that is besides the point that the best possible outcome for all of us is to become real political activists and help elect people who will bring about real change without encouraging violence in the streets. Or at the very least have some way to organize to the point of actually agreeing on which targets are greenlit, but that’s basically impossible. Just yesterday I saw some kid talk about offing the Funko Pop CEO for taking down Itch Io, another dude advocating arson on a McDonalds in the mall.

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                  With this best outcome I agree, it would be nice if there were less violence, not more.

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          The danger is that those less well-off people who are currently supporting privatized healthcare will see actions like this, hear the conversations around it, and figure out what the real issue is, unless the media obfuscates it with spin.

          And this guy may have been fairly well off (his family apparently are wealthy). But he doesn’t have to be poor to get people thinking and talking.

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          I was working in tech when I became disabled. I wasn’t rich and I would have become homeless if I didn’t have a partner’s income to fall back on.

          Tech isn’t some magical gold mine.

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            He had a masters in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League, founded before the USA), graduated a private high school as valedictorian, and prosecutors are claiming he was carrying $10,000 in cash when he was arrested.

            Tech was a magical gold mine to this kid, but rich parents didn’t hurt either.

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              I thought it was Engineering, not CompSci? (Not that it really changes anything about the point)

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              You don’t know that. His grandfather was wealthy. He’s one of, IIRC, 37 grandchildren. That doesn’t mean he is wealthy. Yes, much more privileged than most of us, but that doesn’t mean he was rolling in cash. Even if he was, so what? He was still fighting against an unjust system.

              And he disputed in court that that cash was his–notably, while not disputing that the gun was his. I’ll trust an average person over a cop trying to get a big win any day. They plant plenty of false evidence.

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                $10,000 would be a weird thing to plant, nobody would have questioned Cocaine. That’s more money than most people his age have ever had in savings total.

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                  It’s not that weird if you think about it. They could be trying to portray him as a flight risk since he also had his passport.

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        Libs would literally rather see 1000000 poor people killed than one rich guy who’s responsible for it.

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    This guy doesn’t need a GoFundMe.

    He could start an Only Fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he’d be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.

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    One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn’t support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn’t do it justice] develops.

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      This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It’s a different guy.

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        Pretty sure this one crosses ideological boundaries and has support with standard MAGAts as well.

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    What’s crazy is that Trump and vance could read the room and drastically change the US forever by using the hate that people have for insurance companies to dismantle their influence.

    But instead these crooks are going to enrich themselves and leave office (maybe) dismantling and hurting the people that voted them into office. As bad as 2016-2020 was, I think it’ll pail in comparison to how bad things will get. If you aren’t putting money away towards your 401k, do it now. Because rebuilding healthcare, housing, education, and other crucial regulatory functions of the government is going to take a long time. Especially if we lose any liberal USSC judges. It will be harrowing for the poor and middle class. More so if you are a person of color, lgbtq, or any ethnic minority.

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      As we all know, they aren’t even in the room. They exist on another floor of the building. One with air conditioning. They could give us air conditioning, but it’s more fun to make us blame each other for it being so hot.

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      After he is arraigned (first appearance before a judge) AND assuming bail is set in an amount he cannot pay AND that he is held in Rikers (HUGE safety concerns) you can look him up here and then send money for commissary and sometimes pay bail.

      https://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/home/home.jsf

      I believe you must provide personally identifying information to send money/pay. There is no guarantee that the City won’t try to find a way to seize money sent.

      Edit: typo

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          Why would they want to off this kid.

          We all know why he did this, it isn’t a secret that insurance companies are paying evil. If anything killing him now will rally more people to his cause.

          They will just re-write history as they did with Guy Fawkes and have us singing songs as though he was a bad guy and not someone who wanted to rock the establishment.

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            Why would they want to off this kid.

            So that he can’t be tried and found non-guilty. So that he wouldn’t spread dangerous ideas. So that he pays for his transgressions.

            I don’t know what could be their reasoning, but I would expect them wanting to off him behind the scenes rather than await for the trial results.

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        Aaaand book marked. If there is no justice then at least he will never go a day without his favorite ramen.

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    Dont get scammed…

    Once you find a proper place, use crypto.

    If you don’t know how to do any of this. Stop. Learn. Then come back.

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        I get that a lot. I just like what originalucifer wrote in the about and faq. If I did not already have a handle I have been having fun with for awhile I would make one inspired by his.