Mass movements can do lots of things, but we can’t even get a majority of people to vote…
I can’t even get a plurality of people to agree that we should have a national strike.
Voting is how we got here…
Political proces and utterly captured
Otherwise we would have had Bernie 2016.
I am tired of political clowns pretending like politics is the solution, it is key part of the problem.
Did you see how politicians are reacting here.
Besides Bernie that is
Because people don’t feel represented in the current FPTP voting-system, which to be fair, was designed by wealthy romans to benefit wealthy romans.
As it turns out, you only need like around 5% of the population to start a revolution (if even that amount). Revolutions have been started with even fractions of a percent.
We can get a majority of those that do vote to vote for Trump so I am not that hopeful.
I wish we would see a movement like this in Canada when it comes to grocery giants like Loblaws
Do they also have a law review?
I think Bob has a law blog.
Loblaws got a parastic CEO and y’all got school shooters?
Might resolve itself at some point but who knows
No way to tell tbh
It can’t be Democrats or republicans, those both are cunts.
Need to support a new party.
Is “working families” legit?
Sadly I dont see a third party ever being the solution due to our first past the post political system. We need election reform for a third party to exist, and those 2 cunts you mentioned would NEVER allow election reform to happen on their watch.
So why not start right now? Not 3 months before elections, now.
Create a web platform and organize. Idea is - to create a “troll” factory but not for trolling , but rather for propagandizing the cause. Let’s say you have 10000 accounts army you can then direct on pushing the news and ideas we want and candidates we want.
So If i am understanding correctly. You want to use bots to spread propaganda to influence politics? The problem is that congress is going to vote how their donors tell them to vote, they don’t give a fuck what their voter base wants. You would also be competing against exactly what you are suggesting, giant capitalist media companies, and bot armies from hostile nation states. You just cant compete with their resources in spreading propaganda.
The Working Families party is like the Tea Party for the Democrats. I don’t believe they ever run as a third party.
How can they get elected? If the party is in the actual interest of American society then all of the money will be stacked up in opposition to them.
Because people like you will spread the word! :)
It’s true though that the Tea Party was quickly captured and turned into an astroturf campaign, so it had a lot of money behind it.
Unfortunately, changing the world isn’t easy.
Cool so let’s just give up then I guess.
It always cracks me up how the passive aggressive person saying “lets just give up then!” when one roadblock in a plan is pointed out, is generally the only person giving up. Oh no, the idea I wanted doesn’t work, guess were all out of options.
Let me rephrase your comment for you.
“We can’t go third party without election reform. Also election reform is impossible.”
Yeah I know what I said, as I was the one who said it, but since subtlety is clearly lost on you… Corruption through capitalist money has captured the government. Nothing is going to change in America without a revolution, otherwise we will continue to barrel fullsteam towards global financial collapse, or world war. If you’re interested please shoot me any way you think the system can be fixed without some sort of large violent upheaval and ill described 3 ways in which the system is already securely rigged against it. Ill give you reason #1 as a freebie since it applies to any route you may suggest: they have become way too good at pitting us against each other over wedge issues about shit that doesn’t affect us, so we just accept voting for things based on social issues, and as such we can never vote on real issues.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
The Working Families party appears to be legit. Adam Conover did an interview with one of their organizers and it really felt like they had the right ideas and were building the right tools to give power to the people, while understanding the system as-is is stacked against what they want.
Good interview, good vision. Should have been Bernie.
You heard it from Bernie. Sharpen those pitchforks.
Fuck it, i think Luigi’s method is gonna be more effective.
What’s easier, motivating hundreds of thousands of people to get out and protest, or letting a few moderately motivated people take direct action?
Not protest. Y’all need at least a general strike to have a shot at doing something. That or found/get behind a third party and kill the DNC.
You are correct but the person you are responding is more correct
Give it a try Bernie, maybe if you say it someone will listen.
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CEOAm I reading this right?
Beating them is another good option, well reminded, Bernie.
Peñata economics… Beat the rich until the money comes out
Word is, when Bernie first saw the news of the murder, he said, “Fuck yes.”
Even if he didn’t support the action, it is clearly getting us to talk about what he wants to talk about.
Yes, it can and that’s why we should keep trying.
But it does seem less likely than in 2016.
I’m not desperate (am Canadian) but I don’t blame desperate people.
The ends don’t justify the means but no one is denying that they do get results.
And that the correct means have been tried for decades.
I feel like we’ve made more progress in our national discussion regarfing healthcare since the assassination than we have in the previous 10 years.
I don’t want to think that violence is the answer, but damn if it ain’t a conversation starter.
There’s also the fact that the day after many insurance companies were suddenly approving procedures they denied the day before.
In all likelihood the assassination saved lives.
There is no escaping that sometimes violence is the only answer. It took that level of drama for right wingers to acknowledge what they have in common with progressives. It’s really hard for right wing populists to resist supporting murder.
I’ve also seen more people realize that an armed populace can provide a check on oppression witpopulrequiring a revolutionary uprising and defeating the military.
Having more guns than people means that the more people you piss off, the less safe you are.
If ine nutjob with a gun wants a politician or business leader dead, they can be stopped.
If 100,000 nutjobs want to assassinate you, one of them is gonna slip through.
So he wants us to beat ceos. Got it
Mass movement, movement of mass, close enough.
a mass movement of 3d printed felonies
I didn’t see any felonies
Just a well done job.
This country needs to have a mass bowel movement and flush that shit down the drain.
