Couple suing Google Maps after it sent them to a notorious crime hotspot where they were brutally attacked and robbed at gunpoint::A Los Angeles couple filed a lawsuit against Google Maps for allegedly navigating them to a notorious South African crime neighborhood where tourists are left ‘injured, maimed or dead.’
Yeah, but if you start labeling neighborhoods as “bad” on a mapping program you have a different set of problems.
People need to be aware of their surroundings and not cluelessly follow programs like this.
And what exactly would you have done differently? At what point would you have started to ignore the GPS directions and randomly drive around in an area you know nothing about?
This isn’t the same as driving off a cliff or the wrong direction on a one-way road, these people were targeted by experienced criminals. I’m not saying it’s Google’s fault, but maybe let’s try to avoid blaming the victims of a vicious attack.
Maybe don’t try to blame a map for giving you directions to a place you asked to go to.
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make, since I very clearly wrote I also don’t think this was Google’s fault (even if they did stop sending people through that area a mere couple of weeks after this incident).
I also don’t think it’s fair to blame these people for this, and so I’m trying to understand what you would’ve done differently in the same situation.
Assuming they’re tourists, probably ask the rental car agent and hotel clerks what the best routes to <destination> are. Most locals in hospitality in my experience are happy to share their insight with you.
The problem is like the other said, people need to be on their toes in a foreign environment. It’s the same with foreign nationals visiting the US, like people visiting SF accidentally ending up in the rough areas of Oakland, or visiting tourist destinations in Mexico. At some point, personal responsibility needs to come into play, and that includes doing your homework about sketchy areas to avoid. It isn’t victim blaming to ask people to think and prepare, and not go blindly wandering about.
If it’s your town and you realize your GpS is taking you a ghetto place you can always turn around and drive in another direction. I’d on vacation, turns out travel guide still exist. Google maps and GPs is only doing exactly what you asked it; go from A to B with the hottest time between the two points. That’s why it sometimes takes you through residential area for no apparent reason just because the algorithm calculated a 0.3min time savings.
Now the real question is: if a self driving car takes you through a bad area and you get mugged…
Nyanga is basically right next to the airport.
It’s the same place where that British man was killed last year.
When you leave the airport, you have three choices.
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Turn left on the N2, which takes you to the winelands/strand/Somerset west.
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Turn Right on the N2 to get to Cape Town CBD.
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Go straight, which puts you directly in Nyanga.
If you’re visiting, never pick option 3. If you miss both onramps to the N2, immediately just turn around.
It’s really unfortunate that one of the most dangerous areas in the province is in such close proximity to the airport.
Almost everywhere else is much safer in comparison. I really hope this doesn’t dissuade any potential visitors. It’s a really nice country, in spite of its flaws.
Holy crap, the second you cross under the N2, immediate super high density shanty town.
Anyone who doesn’t nope out of there shouldn’t be traveling
It’s really unfortunate that one of the most dangerous areas in the province is in such close proximity to the airport.
It’s pretty common from what I’ve seen, especially large international airports. Like that In N Out that’s shuttering an Oakland store for the first time in their history. The area around LAX is pretty bad as well.
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I don’t see how it is a map’s duty to rank areas like this.
Can you imagine the knock-on effects of some places being decided as being “bad” by Google?
Businesses would collapse, the area worsen, crime and poverty increase, the people who live there would have a collapse in house prices, so they’d be trapped there.
Meanwhile, in the “good” areas, businesses would do better, property prices would be driven up more than they are already, and long term only the wealthy would be able to live there.
Not to mention the whole issue of “X place has been ranked as bad and it has predominantly Y ethnicity or Z religion living there! This is a hate crime by Google!”
People should be aware that South Africa is a dangerous place with a high crime rate, particularly violent crime.
17 people per 100k get stabbed to death, compared to 0.6 for the US, 0.2 for France, and 0.08 for the UK. That’s insane.
Homicide in general is 41.9 people per 100k (3rd highest worldwide). Compared to 6.4 in the US, 1.1 in France, 1.0 in the UK.
Personally, South Africa is a place to avoid. Particularly because tourists especially are targeted by criminals.
It’s amazing how systemic racism can destroy a country. Speaking as someone from the US.
They wouldn’t need to label them as bad to inform users. It’s possible to display crime statistics without bias.
That would still entrench the area - How would a change of bad to good reflect on google maps? How quickly would that change show up?
Should be the road authority’s responsibility to put a “gangs ahead next 5 km” sign, lol.
They have something like that
https://www.i-traffic.co.za/region/Western Cape#:Alerts
Enable the message sign filter. Some of them are like “MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR GOD NOW” and others are like “Remember to wash your ass, you filthy mf”
The New Eisleben Road was known as a “prime site” for the assaults because its highly congested roads would make it difficult for victims to escape, and “the gangs knew that Google Maps sent unsuspecting tourists driving rental cars” along it, the lawsuit alleged, according to Mercury News.
It’s high crime because google sends tourists there…
If it sent them somewhere else, that would be the high crime area.
It’s a high crime neighborhood because criminals live there. Or more precisely, because it’s a poor, gang infested neighborhood.
What you’ve said makes no sense. There are high crime neighborhoods like this all over the country independently of what Google maps does. There are also neighborhoods full of tourists that aren’t high crime areas.
Particular conditions, in this particular neighborhood, lead to these particular crimes occurring.
It’s a high crime neighborhood because criminals live there
Poor people rarely steal from their poor neighbors…
I’ve lived in lots of “bad neighborhoods” and never had my stuff messed with, I’ve lived in “good places” a few blocks away from the bad ones, and shit was always being stolen.
Its not complicated bud.
I frequented Cape Town and Johannesburg doing research, that also included going into black townships to chat with people. I myself had an escort of 15 huge guys with guns and still had all sorts of problems around Nyanga including a shoot out over me recording video. Would never walk or drive around there on my own, I saw so many tourists and (white) locals being targeted, attacked and beaten on the street. There’s a reason everyone lives in highly secure compounds. You should know this before going to SA. The most beautiful place, best food on the planet, but you may die for it.
They chose to vacation in a country that has ~50000 murders each year and drove around without doing research on different areas. Did they think that the entire country was safe to travel through?
Can we just sue stupid things now. Who takes this care ? Wouldn’t it be laughed out of court ?
Can we use these cases to remove these people from gene pool.
