Admittedly, I don’t know much about Brexit, but from what I have been exposed to, it seems like a decisively economical and political impairment that made travel and business with the rest of Europe more difficult and costly. Since it is so highly criticized as a terrible move, why doesn’t the UK just rejoin the EU?
There are a lot of reasons, but I think it boils down to the people in charge do not want the embarrassement of crawling back to the EU.
It would be total ego destruction and that is simply untennable. This is what happens when the right gets enough power to make a change and then has to experience consequences.
Something something leopards and faces.
Not only that but the EU doesn’t want to make it seem like people can come and go as they please. So they will make serious demands for rejoining.
Exactly. UK will be adopting the Euro next time.
I forget what other significant concessions there were.
Schengen membership and no rebate are the 2 big ones aside from the euro iirc
If the EU are feeling particularly salty they might add the metric system but that’s not a current condition of membership afaik
They probably wouldn’t force schengen as we’re in a common travel area with Ireland who aren’t in Schengen so they’d have to force in on them too.
Possibly switch to driving on the right, that’d be good
That won’t happen because it would be an unreasonable requirement and for no real point.
It would require a ridiculous amount of road maintenance and sign changes and it would be basically burning money. It would be like asking the French to correctly signpost things, utterly unreasonable.
What do mean ?
Doesn’t “touts directions” tell you everything you need to know? /s
Shhh, it’d be fun
Yeah exactly, not to mention that the EU has called the UK “a trouble maker” in regards to the UK rejoining.
They weren’t wrong, were they?
I got the impression the modern British are an extreme manifestation of “truth hurts”.
This is the big one, admitting it was a mistake.
it’s like an unstable ex-girlfriend trying to get back together. and now she’s down on her luck with even less to offer.
UK just needs to suck a few dicks and we’re all good ;)
Idk about you but I’m not letting Boris anywhere near my dong.
I think you meant Mr. Sunak, which is only a marginal improvement.
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Does the UK still meet the requirements of joining?
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We’re still one of the top ten world economies, of course we do.
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Ha, no way. You wish. The only thing England is top 10 at is smelling their own farts.
Currently ranked 6th. Your an idiot.
You’re*
Psh 6th at eating tea and crumpets maybe, you dumb limeys can’t even spell words right while insulting people.
Calm down Clapistani Chungus, and you also don’t eat tea, thats a drink, you spakker. I’m also still correct about the UK economy being sixth largest.
Wrong, California is 6th largest.
Screw England, let’s just let Scotland and Wales join without them
Wales voted out
if we held the referendum again - no new voters, everyone votes exactly the same as they did before - remain would win simply because enough elderly leave voters have died since then that now it would swing the other way, so its likely is sentiment is not trending positive
Regions of Wales with a large English retiree population voted out.
U forgot abt northern ireland
That’s reunification with Eire, which is already in the EU.
I doubt u could reunify without mass deportation or genocide of half the population I think the best option is becoming our own country and joining the ru before reuniting. Sure no ones happy at first but it’s the only way to keep the peace.
The Ulster Unionists have basically given up on doing anything as a protest against the Tories back in Westminster, who have basically screwed them over to get their majority. Meanwhile, Sinn Fein have stopped their protest and started working again, and there does seem to be an appetite for a referendum on reunification. It’ll cause some people to lose their minds over it, but Eire has been the good guy on that side of the Irish Sea, and Westminster have all but abandoned them with the Northern Ireland Protocol. Whether Westminster allows such a referendum is another thing, if it does happen, it’ll be after Scotland get theirs, and hopefully along with Wales, they’ll get their say in the matter.
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It would be smart, but their pride forbids it. Besides, when re-joining, they would start off like any other member, not as privileged as they were before thanks to Thatchers blackmailing. And they would have to ditch the pound in favor of the Euro, which would be the most painful thing.
But on the long run, they will have to come back. It is not a question of “if” but just “when” if they want to survive, and the longer they take, the more painful it will be.
Sure. There’s an application process; supposedly they can apply. It will take years, with a lot of conditions, and none of the previous exemption they had.
Britain had a highly favourable agreement with the EU that it negotiated decades ago. If it wanted to rejoin, it would do so without those privileges.
No more £ for you.
they can £ sand
The pound was a part of it, but there was always the UK’s veto which Margaret Thatcher negotiated, which also made the entire “BUT SOVEREIGNTY!!” thing a nonsense - now the UK is under the EU’s thumb, while before it could prevent the EU from doing anything that wasn’t in the UK’s best interests.
Despite her being associated with Euroskeptics I suspect even Thatcher would have been a Remainer.
Also a rebate, as one of the top 3 economies we should have paid a lot more in than we were.
Despite her being associated with Euroskeptics I suspect even Thatcher would have been a Remainer.
While that it is definitely true, her reasons would be that it is easier to control and weaken the EU from the inside than from the outside.
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I find it hard to believe that the EU would deny any and all membership benefits for the UK purely out of spite.
It is not out of spite. More like a “Fool me once” situation. Brexit has cost the EU a lot - not as bad as it is for the UK, but still. If the UK ever rejoins, they would have to make sure that such a shit show never ever happens again. If only to sell it to the EU members who all have to be convinced that the UK will be a good boy from that point on.
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Why would the EU accept that? GB needs to make its mind about that. It had so many specific benefits in the EU, and it still left because an idiot gambled the decision in a referendum.
The brexit could have meant the end of the EU. It’s not something you can come and go on a whim. So GB needs to pay for its stupid decision, because the stability of the EU depends on it, no country should ever get the idea that leaving the EU is inconsequential.
They made their decision to leave, now they have to deal with the consequences of that decision.
Try to remember that almost half of us did not vote to leave in the first place and knew it was a mistake. The Brexit vote was won on the tiniest of margins mainly due to a criminal misinformation campaign.
There was no mandate in that vote for the UK leaving the single market - something that those liars campaigning for Brexit said that we would never do. I firmly believe that all of the Brexit campaigners should be rotting in prison for the incalculable damage they did to our nation. Many people were tricked into voting against their best interests because they were told that leaving the EU would mean more money for the NHS, or it would protect their daughters from all the Turkish rapists joining the EU next week, or all the other total fucking nonsense the criminal liars told them through Facebook.
That’s exactly the problem : you need to fix your country before you can join again. That’s how democracy works.
The brexit is a tragedy, and I feel for those who didn’t want to leave the EU. But it’s done. Maybe your kids will be able to see the return of the GB into the EU.
The thing is your electorate let itself be manipulated like that and as you said the perpetrators are still very much at large. It follows they will manipulate the electorate again and there’s no reason to believe the same demographic won’t easily fall for new lies. (Unless they died off.)
This sucks for the Brits who knew better but it also means the EU would let an unreliable partner back in if nothing changed. It seems the pro Brexit crowd will need to learn the hard way that no really you were lied to and you still have to bear the consequences of your own actions (vote).
Being lied to isn’t an excuse to accept racist fearmongering and plainly suicidal economic reasoning. Nor is it an excuse for the project fear slander that happened at the time. They were lied to and were also told the truth. And you who voted to stay also need to learn that your vote doesn’t abdicate Britain either. You’re in this together.
Oh, I totally agree with how it happened, the point is, it happened, and a good deal of the people who made it happen , are still in power. The problem is no onw will do anything about it. As you say, almost half didn’t vote for it, but over half did, and there-in lies the problem. “they were lied to” Yeah, but they voted based on those lies.
You only needed a slim 50% to split? Not like a 2/3rds majority?
Yup. And the rerendum wasn’t even legally binding.
The whole thing still boggles my mind, it was something like 52/48 on a non-binding vote, and everyone is just like, “Ok, I guess we’ve got to do it then,” even though it seemed to be the most obviously stupid decision in the world. There’s alot I like about Britain’s system of government, but that such a major decision hinged on the barest of margins is just weird, at least in the US we’ve got huge hurdles before we can change our Constitution (though that too can cause problems trying to get some things fixed).
The 2000s have just been filled with so many epic, unforced face-plants across countries and companies, it’s like we’re living in the Age of Idiocy. Either that or Russia had its tendrils everywhere and somehow convinced a great number of people to make the stupidest decisions ever, to which they took advantage of that… by doing their own epic face-plant.
I think humans tended to do such epic face plants for a lot longer. But these days every idiot and their dog has a smartphone to record everything and an internet connection to share it to the world. You look a lot more silly with your epic face plant if it’s captured in 4K and broadcast to the world.
Random side note: if you want to hear about a rather epic historical face plant there’s a good video on the Erfurt latrine disaster on YouTube.
It’s not an on-off relationship.
It’s like thinking about marrying your ex-wife again, just after you went through an awful divorce, that took years to get accomplished, which you had insisted in. It would make you look somewhat stupid and the question is whether your ex-wife would let you move back in to your former house (i.e. the EU). Who knows…
You wanted it, you got it, now live with it!
Sure, but in this analogy, your ex wife was great partner that was good for you and you only broke up because you thought you could do better. Only after your divorce, you realize you aren’t actually doing better on your own and want your ex wife back, but are too afraid to admit it. And also your ex wife might not want you back anymore (if she does, she’s gonna ask you to really prove you’re committed).
Yes but also you got all your mates and family together in one room, told them you’re confused and you don’t know if you should go back to her or not, and swore on your penis that you will go by the concensus in the room, which after a lot of debate they collectively decided that you should not go back to her.
Also your mates and family don’t really get how your marriage worked and didn’t like your ex’s politics for confused reasons.
Not a good analogy. Really not.
Why not?
Because there are about 4 billion other women on the planet you could date, and according to my emails, at least hundreds in your local area.
There are no other horny global trading blocs in Britain’s local area.I see what you mean.
Hubris.
It won’t happen as long as the Conservatives are in power. They’ve been pushing the Brexit is great agenda for ages and have finally admitted that maybe it’s not brilliant, but it’s still pretty great mind you.
There is probably going to be an election in January or February of 2024, because of the utterly stupid way that UK politics works there may not be an election, who knows, but if there is an election and
ifwhen the conservatives lose and labour win it might be under cards but it’s probably going to take years if it does happen.I’m not an expert in this topic at all, but there’s a few reasons i can see. One major reason is that you’d have to get a big portion of the country to admit that they were totally wrong and got badly scammed, which people (especially that particular portion of people) won’t allow themselves to admit.
Another factor is that the EU doesn’t necesarily want to take the UK back.
The Brexit, and other anti-EU movement in Europe do not come out of nowhere, there is a lot of issue with how the EU works, and some fundamental disagreement between members (and/or political parties within member states) on how should the Europe evolve (Just a big free-trade area, or a continent sized nation with a real political power and geopolitical weight), this is the context behind Macron talking about a Multi speed Europe
A big question is whether we should take new members right now (including Ukraine/Turkey/UK) or deal on the institutional issue and agree in which direction we want to move together rather than taking more people
I agree that the EU needs quite some work to get their acts together. They will basically need a Maastricht II Accord that really turns the EU into an entity that is closer to a national state before they should admit new members. But I can see that admitting Ukraine is something that will probably happen within a very, very short time once there is peace.
