Dont even need to watch the whole video. This is all you gotta see.
Damn they tried to plug LTT store too. GN made a long serious video with stats, data, no jokes, no sponsors or plugs.
Yeah no they’re not salvageable. Linus is a clown. My friends even told me, but I didn’t see it. That’s the consequence of growing up surrounded by toxicity: you think it’s normal and don’t see it.
Linus is a clown. Literally. That is his brand of entertainment, clowning around with tech.
That’s where he fucked up with Billet labs - he argued that he was defending consumers because nobody should buy that thing - but that’s not the job of a clown, a clown is meant to entertain people.
I’m not saying Linus is a clown as an insult, I mean that’s genuinely his brand and how he entertains people - memes, jokes, laughs, that’s great stuff most of the time but when you arbitrarily switch lanes it better be for a good reason.
Otherwise, stay in the clown car and make people laugh.
I watched LTT videos for entertainment, not product suggestions / benchmarks / as an information source. Clown it is!
Granted I already unsubscribed from the channels I followed and won’t use him for even that anymore.
I find it a little bit hard to enjoy the content, now that I know how to interpret it.
It’s kinda like when you find a great restaurant around the corner, go there a lot, enjoy the food, and then you realize they abuse their personal, lie to everyone about what is in the dishes (allergens etc), and so on. Can’t really enjoy the food anymore. The taste hasn’t changed, but it hits different.
I agree. The content definitely always gave off the impression of being rushed, just didn’t realize it was to such a degree.
He’s a very rich clown.
Big mainstream appeal though. Even to otherwise quite smart tech normies. I have some scientist friends (scientists but very much not computer people. Mac fanboy types) who love him.
Yes, but actually no. I think it was rather self aware. And nick whispering lttstore when saying what he does was fine imo.
Linus should have employed a professional CEO, Managers, PR and HR years ago, right at the start of the labs expansion.
Their problems in the last couple of years could have been avoided or greatly reduced with better management, and employees not afraid to be open when things go wrong, this will set them back years.
Supposedly Linus didn’t think he could trust anyone else to essentially act as his proxy. And he’s just been bugging Terren for years to come to LTT. And it only now worked out. If you can call all this “working out”
It’s not just about trust, professional experienced ceos, who have been educated in business management know how to run businesses, it’s what they do, it doesn’t matter what the product or service is, that can be learned. Linus was too proud to hand control of his baby over, that’s very, very common with businesses that start to grow faster than they can handle and it’s a reason why start ups fail despite their successes and promise. Lmg is extremely lucky to have gotten as far and as large as it did without the necessary restructure to go to the next step.
Once you get into the 50+ full time employee range you need pro’s on the team because shit will happen, mistakes will be made, people will fuck up, that’s unavoidable. Good strong businesses handle it well, it’s rough cause sometimes you have to fire an OG team member and close friend and ruin a friendship. It sucks and people will hate you, but that’s part of running a large company.
Lmg had been incredibly successful and that’s great, kudos the them for that, but you have to have the humility to stand up at some point and day “I don’t know what the fuck I’m doing and I need” any business adviser or analyst will tell you that.
“I don’t know what the fuck I’m doing and I need” any business adviser or analyst will tell you that.
Much easier to do when you’re not dealing with a narcissist who, if he cant be right no matter how much he doubles down, then he’ll atleast make himself look like a victim to get that sweet sympathy feed for his narcissism.
Poor dude inherited a shit show
You are completely right, but I wonder how self aware Linus is. I haven’t been watching his channel closely, but I’ve binged on episodes in the past. I was not aware of his anti-labor views or how he had his employees working on his house - these are things that a non-self aware person does; someone who doesn’t understand the optics are bad to the “commoner” who feels they are being taken advantage by business owners. I’ll reserve judgement for now but I’ve found this entire thing very disappointing.
Pretty un-self-aware indeed. He got so distracted/butthurt over internet reactions accusing him of maliciously stealing the prototype… Like obviously not, people are just pissed about the injustice. His ego benefits from the size and influence of his business qua business. But his ego leads him to see himself still as that scrappy YouTuber whose just tryna do what he does, forgetting that he’s got greater power now and greater responsibility.
To be fair on the working on his house thing. He’s been literally going to his employees houses and installing stuff for them after handing them $5000+ to spend on a processor + whatever they want.
To be fair to Luke, in regards to the “six nines” comment in the video that a lot of people think is part of a sex joke (and how the video is framing it), in the proper context he was talking about IT infrastructure and this comment actually refers to a target for high availability: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability
99.9999% availability (ie. uptime) = “six nines”
He was basically saying that they’re setting a target for higher availability of their infrastructure, because it’s been unstable at times, causing staff frustration and delaying certain workflows.
I can’t blame a lot of average people who don’t work in any sort of IT field for confusing it with the “69” sex position (wondering what the heck “six nines” means), but that’s not at all what he was making reference to.
I’m not at all defending anything else in relation to this debacle besides this unfair portrayal of this particular snippet.
EDIT: Just wanted to add, I think it’s pretty sad that pistol fingers and a wink these days apparently must mean you’re making a sex joke (or are trying to offend people in some other way). As a kid I remember this gesture being used to “act cool”. We did it all the time back then, and it was all in fun. Luke’s from my generation, so maybe he thought the same, or maybe we didn’t get the memo that this gesture is off-limits now.
Oh the term was alright, it’s his 100% intentional innuendo that was the problem.
He didn’t hide it nor he even slightly direct viewers to actual term.
He only meant 69 and he showed it that way
Yeah the wink and the finger guns and the coy voice really scream “server uptime” to me
Go touch grass. It was an double entendre and LMG is fucking gross.
6 nines is a fucking meme. It’s literally impossible, but everyone claims it. That’s the joke.
It’s pretty fucking funny too.
I don’t know man, I just saw it as some IT guy on screen setting an SLA goal I see all the time and trying to do an “act cool” gesture. People can interpret it how they want, but that’s how I saw it.
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Do you mean “IT Guys” as in all guys who work in IT, including those not a part of LMG? Because that seems pretty unfair and a sweeping generalization.
Reading through some of these pearl clutching comments and reactions here relating to Luke’s statement specifically is pretty jarring, you’d think he’d been best mates with Bill Cosby or on the management team at Blizzard for how people are reacting.
Yeah, I just don’t get where all the high tension emotional comments about his segment are coming from. It’s honestly weird.
Unrelated, but also interesting imo and mildly hilarious. Also a little sad.
The Wiggles do the finger guns constantly because as men around kids and taking photos etc etc, they may be accused of things. If the hands are always visible, nobody can cast aspersions about what the hands may have been up to.
I don’t think Luke was referencing this, but if anything… Pistol fingers means this ISN’T a sex joke. At least imo
Doubt he was referencing that, but I think it’s clear that pistol fingers isn’t inherently something to be offended by on its own.
I agree, I don’t think he was referencing that. Just wanted to share my 2 cents
Its an innuendo. 5 nines is basically impossible, not even FAANG can really hit it 100%.
It doesn’t matter if the SLA is realistically reachable or not, it’s basically a marketing meme and one of the most common target SLAs in IT (“target” doesn’t mean you can actually reach it, you’re aiming for it though).
See here: https://lemmy.pub/comment/1046563
I understand its a marketing term. But context matters and when its done with the tech bro chuckle/stammer and wink…its an innuendo…
I mean…tone matters here. Look at how its stated.
I felt while watching the full video (before I saw this one, so I knew the entire tone and context from where this clip came from), that this particular segment had an appropriate tone, felt professional, and I just didn’t feel like anything said by Luke leading up to the last two words was out of line. And when he dropped the “six nines” SLA and seemed to be “playing it cool” while doing so, my only thought was “Oh, I know what he’s referring to, they’re setting a high goal for HA just like other major companies out there. Nice.” That was just the way it hit me personally. If others want to read into it further, well, they will I guess.
If it was just that then maybe I could read that. But given most other managers prior tried to shove in some random, totally awkward and out of place plug or joke to lighten the tone, that is not how it was read by me (and that’s not my YouTube video to be clear.).
It’s all contextual.
I can understand that based on the prior segments in the video, it sets the tone and the mood for the segments that come later from the viewer’s perspective as a whole. But at the same time, we should try to treat them individually, as hard as that can be to remember, when judging the people speaking during their turn. Because at the time of filming, each of these separate people were working alone, and giving their own takes in a silo. So though the video as a whole was pretty badly handled in my opinion, that’s a separate judgement aside from how each individual handled their own part. It’s just my opinion that Luke on his own didn’t really do much to be offended by.
Thats a fair point. Whoever directed these should has asked or cut out the jokes. Really shows they continually failed to read the room.
they’re setting a high goal for HA just like other major companies out there. Nice.
nice… Now it’s obvious you’re trolling.
Trolling? I’m just saying how I personally felt while watching the segment, with reasoning included, and I even said others can read into it how they will, without any judgement one way or another towards those people no matter how they decide to interpret it. I’m not even trying to defend the segment itself, I’m just sharing what I think about it and how it didn’t hit me the same way as others who took offense. That’s trolling? If having an opinion or a viewpoint that differs from yours is trolling, and remaining open to the idea that others may not share my way of seeing it and being totally accepting of that without any kind of stake in the greater matter, then count me in as a troll. Absolutely I’d be proud to be one in that case.
LOL That number of nines is specifically referenced by an industry dominated by tech bros though. It could just as easily be 5 9s or 7 9s but for some reason it has to be 6 9s? And I know it’s a recurring joke for LTT but that doesn’t mean you should put it, or ANY joke into an apology video of all things?! What were they THINKING?! Besides it’s a tired and souless attempt at humour that should’ve been retired years ago
LOL That number of nines is specifically referenced by an industry dominated by tech bros though. It could just as easily be 5 9s or 7 9s but for some reason it has to be 6 9s?
Actually, the “nines” go all the way from “one nine” through “nine nines”, exactly the way you wondered about when you said “It could just as easily be […]”. It’s actually exactly that way, and the chart that shows this is found in my first post on the linked Wikipedia article. Refer to the “Percentage calculation” chart about “High availability”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability
“Six nines” is just another SLA calculation on the chart, but is one of the most commonly referenced in marketing material in the industy. That’s why you see a lot more about it online than the other percentages, but you see reference to the others out there (ie. Amazon references “nine nines” in their S3 object storage marketing in terms of data durability). “Six nines” roughly corresponds to 30 seconds of downtime per year. Maybe it’s used more often because that’s an easy SLA to remember.
Anyway, the point is that it’s not some tech bro-dominated industry inside sex joke. It’s a real, valid SLA, and it’s not the only one. Just the most commonly referenced.
Yeah, I’m fullly aware of all the other 9s used which is why I suggested they could just as easily say they’re aiming for 7 9s or as Amazon does, 9 9s or any other basically impossible to hit asperational goal that’s nice to try for but for SOME REASON the most often quoted / used one is 6 9s? Coincidence you say? Is it super important to aim for 30 seconds per year versus about 5 min per year? Why not aim for 3 seconds / year rather than 30 seconds? Because then you can’t say 6 9 Nice! That’s literally the only reason right?
I don’t know man. It’s a valid SLA target which is often and widely used in the industry at large, it’s almost like muscle memory to some people to just cite it when talking about HA. And even if they regularly make “69” jokes or whatever on their channels, I personally didn’t read far enough into it in this segment of the video to get the impression that they might be making a sex joke. There was no lead-up to one or anything in the original context. All he said at the end of his segment was that their goal was “six nines” plus the “act cool” pose (how I personally interpreted it). And I just felt like “Okay, so they’re aiming for the usual SLA you see most big companies aiming for”. Like, that’s all that went through my mind personally.
If anything, maybe it’s inconclusive if it was meant as an actual sex joke. I said in my original post I could see how uninformed viewers might see it differently, so I’m trying to leave some leeway for understanding of how it might have made others feel.
I’m not saying 100% it couldn’t be one, but I personally didn’t feel like it was. Everyone is free to interpret it how they want, I just wanted to point out that he used a real term that isn’t inherently sexual (and lots of people don’t know about it), so it’s a possibility he actually just meant to cite a real SLA to those in-the-know.
I cannot believe how many brainwashed PCMR zealots are in here downvoting legitimate points.
How the hell does this guy have such a hold on you all? Wake up!
Man, if you’re gonna be so deep up in their ass, at least do them a favor and watch for Polyps.
I never understood why their channel have been so popular? Every video felt like a scammer who want to sell me stolen stuff.
Can someone explain the popularity of them?
top gear of tech
no one has any idea about the things they talk about but they do “wacky hijinx” and whinus is " nerdy endearing"
Yup, they went viral based off of Linus’s tech “fame”. Then went full sell out from there. Almost like the History channel did
I understand what they say, but in some cases I just don’t agree with them. They only show the newest gadgets and scream into the camera…
I don’t know about anyone else but is stuff makes fairly good background noise. They bring up a lot of tech news on wan show that I normally wouldn’t seek out, and at least there you have Luke to kind of be the f****** voice of reason, right? Most of that show is just sitting in the background for me waiting to hear Luke call Linus out.
As far as reviews, It’s great to have an early look at a card here and there or some of the stuff at a trade show. because they get access to it, but watching them actually try to test something is like watching Mythbusters. None of their actual product reviews are trustworthy in my mind. They’re too wrapped around sponsors there’s so much content you lose track of what’s being sponsored and what’s not. Like him buying into that laptop company, then putting them on every time he gets a chance. Your average person isn’t going to properly compartmentalize the cool features of the laptop versus he selling it to you. And honestly he is pretty damned effective at sales.
It’s very low investment entertainment for me. If I’m in the middle of a show and my wife says hey can you go do blah blah blah I just stop the show and walk away it’s no big deal. If I don’t come back and watch the rest of that episode there will just be another 6 hour long episode a week later.
They simply tried to lower the tension. This type of humour is their watermark, they even mention in the video that they are available to make changes but not to take away the goofiness.
Some of you are raging over something innocuous.
They simply tried to lower the tension. This type of humour is their watermark
Yeah, I agree with that assessment, but that tone is absolutely not okay in the current context.
If very dark humour is your “type of humour”, it doesn’t mean you can just go “business as usual” and make dark jokes around someone right after they lost a loved one, had a tragic accident, got SA’d, etc.
Linus tried to weasel out of the GN accusations by saying he “failed to read the room”. That was because entertainment is about reading the room, while reviewing is about accuracy and objectivity. Then, he failed to recognize that (but GN was there to remind everyone, fortunately).
In this case, however, when going with their usual “entertainment” vibe, he should have “read the room”. Which not only he failed miserably to do, but all of the LMG management (including the new “they’re gonna solve all the problems” additions) too apparently.
This does not bode well for LMG. It is proof they are clueless, do not have the skills to fix their problems, and aren’t to be expected to get any better. It’s a shame, because it was good entertainment. At least for as long as I had Linus in my blind spot. Now, I can’t unsee it, and I can absolutely imagine how much of a bully he is remembered being by people from his past (he mentioned that in passing here and there).
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They may have made it before, but it was posted a couple of hours after. But still basically in the dead of night, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they hadn’t noticed yet.
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Edit: it is NUTS that this is so downvoted. You guys are absolute dummies. You won’t even check yourself, you just believe anything you’re told, without even asking. The data is fucking PUBLIC. smh.
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Tweet: 2023-08-16T06:09:52.483Z
Video: 2023-08-16T10:33:44ZThat’s four and a half full hours prior. Wanna try again?
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There’s a time to be goofy and a time to be serious. This isn’t a goofy time. Your inability to tell the difference is something you should look into.
The problem is that at LTT it’s always goofy time. If they just sit down and start talking, yes that is much more professional but at the same time it really feels disingenuous, coming from someone who has stated on multiple occasions that he wants dbrand to sponsor the video eventually made about his own funeral. I do think they could have gone for less jokes, but it’s hard to get the balance right, especially if the video in question is (somewhat ironically) rushed.
So what would you like from them?
At this point it’s a mea culpa. Even with the expected goofy angle. That’s at least 1000 times better than what basically any other multi-multi million dollar corporation would say or do.
Or is your only concern having a target for outrage?
I’m not saying they are forgiven, but it’s more than basically anybody else. And should the pressure stop? Also no.
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While I agree, I think you’re unnecessarily smug and this is rhetorically ineffective.
Destroying a small company (Billet Labs) and telling viewers to not buy for any price while you yourself did the test inaccurately.
“Hahah. Don’t mind us, we are just being goofy here LOL (lttstore.com)”
While I tend to agree, the fact that the video was initially monetized retroactively made all that stuff horrible. Like, they joke about being greedy money-grubbers, and then they grub the moneys.
I feel like if they hadn’t acted like LTT does with the humor and hallmarks, people would have called it a worthless generic apology video.
Now they call it insensitive and all that. I have a feeling there was no winning for them.
Why does there need to be a way for them to win? An apology is the bare minimum. It doesn’t wipe away what they’ve done.
Linus’s forum post made this a no-win scenario for them. They had to bring in half a dozen people to try to clean up after he shit the bed.
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Damn I mean that was cringe AF.
So when Linus cries to camera about YouTube affecting his income that’s goofy is it? Imagine defending this abhorrence.
I haven’t followed LTT channels in years.
I am simply concerned because I believe they couldn’t have handled the aftermath better. So I don’t understand many reactions I see on the WWW.
They did quite some mistakes, yes. Those mistakes would be enough for me to stop following their content, yes. But why enrage?
So first you thought it was innocuous, now you think they couldn’t have handled this better. What’s next, are you going to blame the victims?
Exactly this. I get everyone wants to dog-pile but the vast majority of the video was outlining issues and the steps they’re going to take to rectify it. It was a good video and miles above what other brands have done with other controversies (which is generally doing fuck all or putting out a basic tweet)
We can celebrate when the results happen
By lower tensions, do you mean deflect and whine about people questioning integrity, especially after countless videos from Linus himself chastising other companies for their poor crisis responses and/or inability to accept full responsibility?
He’s a hypocrite, I am not denying that.
Linus Media Group is not Linus, though.
Yes, it is. The company is named after the guy, he’s front and center and he is the brand. I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say.
Ok, I was wrong…I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but the bits this video showed really does make it seem worse than the Spez AMA. At least Spez was smart enough to keep the answers short and concise, even if they ignored all the questions.
That was all of the cringy parts. The whole of the rest of it is basically fine. Just people saying “We messed up in these ways and we think it was for these reasons. We are going to do xyz to try to make sure we don’t mess up in similar ways moving forwards.”
I hope you’ve since watched the video. Besides the dumb stuff that was specifically clipped here, the rest provides a decent insight into LMG.
I really have no interest, honestly. I’ve watched one LTT video where they reviewed knockoff game systems, oddly enough right before all the drama started, and the main guy seems to be a bit of a douche. None of the drama is really that surprising to me, because he seems exactly the type to do all the shit he’s being accused of. From what I’ve seen of the rest of them in the posted video, I have no desire to delve that deep into any of this. I’ll just watch the ship go down in flames instead.
Fuck Linus and everything he touches
Are we just really posting selective parts of this video? I could have sworn that when journalists / the media do this everyone is up in arms about bias and creating a narrative, but when we do it I guess it’s fine?
It’s called “entertainment”. You know, as opposed to serious journalism. If you ever watched any LMG video, you should know all about this particular distinction… ;)
Stop stop he’s had enough!!! Let him live
Ooooh that’s good
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I don’t think this is meant as a replacement for the original. It seems like the creator just wanted to clown on LTT for their subpar and disrespectful response to the controversy.
I’ve seen the whole video as well, it’s somehow actually worse than this clipped version lol
I still don’t understand the drama and do not want to watch a 20 minute video to make myself care.
At that point you might as well don’t comment at all
Peak complacency
