Weird how the people shooting up substations aren’t being charged with terrorism…
OK, actually this quite fits the definition of terrorism by the FBI:
Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
Personally I think that this definition sucks. If I steal an egg to make a statement against capitalism this might as well be considered terrorism. For reference I looked up the German definition of terrorism and I think that this definition is much better(translated with deeply since I’m lazy):
Terrorism is the sustained fight for political goals that are to be achieved with the help of attacks on the life, limb and property of other people, in particular through serious criminal offences such as those listed in Section 129a (1) of the German Criminal Code (StGB) or through other criminal offences that serve to prepare such offences.
The main difference is, that this definition only includes high level crimes and it also states that there has to be an active fight against some form of political system. I wouldn’t be to sure if the murder of the UHC CEO would be considered terrorism under the German definition. The reason I’m not so sure is, because I wouldn’t count one assassination an active prolonged fight(take this with a grain of salt, I’m not a lawyer or have any serious knowledge on the law).
Don’t understand me wrong, I also think that calling this is bullshit, I just want to inform you, that this isn’t anything they made out of thin air.
Would this make the police a terrorist organisation?
Ever notice how anyone fighting the status quo (even actual rebels in a state of war) are always called terrorists?
It’s a way to condemn by association (and dehumanise), as well as use all the anti-terror legal loopholes against you.
Pirates and emperors
The emperor imprisons thr pirate and berates him for thr violent chaos he was perpetuating against his empire . Calling him a pirate and a terrorist
Thr pirate replies "you do the same things to your own people and foreigners. When I burn down a house you call it terrorism. When you do it. You call it thr cost of war.
My actions are vilified because I’m a pirate. Your actions are excused because you’re an emperor
… or something like that
You know the difference between knowing and understanding something?
Well I feel like I just went from knowing to understanding that I live in a fascist state.
you are ruled by enclaves of capital
Their terrorist, our freedom fighter
Hopefully ppl will realize the actual difference been the two
I’m also terrified by by insurance policy. Could someone do something about those terrorist?
Someone did, but just the one time.
We need more heroes like him.
Great. Can Americans now use that against police, or better yet, the government itself?
Well, look at that. We finally found what is needed to have a white “terrorist” instead of “someone with issues”: just target ultra rich people.
I think the difference in nomenclature may be down to how close the actions are to affecting real change.
Nah. Terrorism is a term exclusively reserved in the West for when rich people suffer consequences at the hands of those significantly poorer than them.
It is a completely valid, justifiable, and effective form of asymmetric warfare.
The ruling class wants to create the narrative that the only people who are allowed to fight back are those who spend lots of money, further enriching them in the process.
The irony is that this was done to score propaganda points, but, and especially if Luigi keeps arguing the manifesto was fake and planted on him, this will make it harder for the charges to stick.
How can you even prove it was planted. Its your word against the cops and well, we may know cops are lying but the court won’t care.
That’s for the courts to decide.
It’s a disposable gun. Muad’dib wouldn’t have carried it across state lines, he’d have dumped it. The cops found it, and planted it on Luigi.
The way the law works in this country is they have to prove the evidence wasn’t planted more than the Defense needs to prove it was.
Ken Penders insisting Archie’s contract with him was forged was enough to win him publishing rights even with Ken’s track record as a liar.
That is in practice not how it works.
At least he will get better healthcare in prison.
They’re trying to end that, Republicans making the claim you can and should deny healthcare to prisoners
No more healthcare, work without pay, convicted for bullshit reasons, locked up in conditions which are crimes against humanity… Americans call it correctional facilities, to cover up they are actually slave labor camps. Just like they do not torture, they call it “enhanced interrogation”. Even though it’s the same technique as torture, it’s ok now because it’s named differently. Because slave labor camps are named “correctional institute” it’s all good man!
America has truly mattered doublespeak
Huh, I guess a terrorist is a national hero. Hope others follow his fine work
Coughs in Elon
We are all terrorists on this blessed day.
Speak for yourself.
Dolt
Oh, stop yelling at them
Good job, make that shit waaaay harder to convict 😙👌
His lawyers should go for a defense of others defense. Millions of lives were in imminent danger. He had no choice but to act.
I simultaneously do and do not want to see the trolly problem diagram in that courtroom.
well, unless it results in a mistrial we’ll find out how everybody in that courtroom feels about the trolley problem.
Somehow I’m less scared of Luigi than of those assholes.
One is a coordinated group working in lockstep to collapse everything as a primary political party that’s not only in power but in charge of every part of government.
The other is a single guy who acted in the interest of average people by killing someone ‘valuable’
The year of Luigi was 11 years early.
In addition, Mangione has been charged with a second count of murder in the second degree, “pertaining to the fact that the killing was intentional,”
The fuck kind of bullshit is that? They’re just making up the legal system because rich guy hurt.
In NY state, murder of the first degree is reserved for murder against a police officer or something related. So not an average civilian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_New_York_law?wprov=sfla1
Second degree? They don’t have enough to lay first degree murder?
murder in first degree and murder in the second degree. Two murder charges for one “murder.”
I don’t know enough about NY state law, but I do know that there are states where a jury has an option between finding guilty on a greater or lesser charge. Maybe that’s what’s going on?
Yeah, the first degree one is probably a long shot, where they hope to set a precedent where shooting a high profile CEO / politician is now terrorism, which means they can use all the terrorist laws to surveil activists and anyone who disagrees with the current system (I mean, they already do that, but they want to expand the legal basis for it where they can).
They also tried to use terrorism laws on the activists trying to stop cop city in Atlanta. The thing people warned about when the PATRIOT Act passed is slowly happening. They start with a law to stop terrorists and pedophiles, and slowly they expand the use of it until it applies to everyone.
The definition of “terrorism” is more specific under NY law than federal. The specific definition related to a first degree murder charge is:
(b) for purposes of subparagraph (xiii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.27 of this chapter means activities that involve a violent act or acts dangerous to human life that are in violation of the criminal laws of this state and are intended to:
(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping.
It seems extremely unlikely they’d be able to get any of these to stick, and none of the other cases under which someone may be convicted of first degree murder apply here, hands down. This is why the second degree murder charge, because first degree murder is almost certain to be unsuccessful for the prosecution.
