I understand opposition to the Israeli government’s activities in the West Bank and Gaza. Obviously that government should be targeted by BDS. Businesses also seem fair game. But what about individuals? For example, if an artist posts periodically online, should they also be subject to boycott?

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    Not one cent of mine goes to Israel, as far as I have any say in the matter.

    Random individuals pay taxes, and taxes fund genocide.

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      Unlike for example what Myanmar did to the Rohingya, neither the UN nor any human rights organizations of note have used the term “genocide” related to what Israel does or did.

      In the 3-D-Test this statement easily fulfills “double standards” and “demonization” and is clearly antisemitic.

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        The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights would like a word: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

        As would the International Criminal Court with regard to war crimes: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56249927

        For that matter, the governments of Brazil, South Africa, and Colombia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/07/genocide-israel-gaza-palestine/

        Even Amnesty International has called Israel’s actions “apartheid”: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

        So yeah, both the UN and many human rights organizations of note have called out Israel.

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          I visited 3 of the links you gave me. One is newer than my comment, and it is dedicated to UN experts, as opposed to the organization, so still not a contradiction to my comment. They seem biased to me, focusing hard on the “children are dying” argument and totally ignoring any right of Israel for self defense in the aftermath of October 7th. Here’s one thing I don’t understand, maybe you can help me: if Gaza has seen no fresh water for weeks, as so many say, why is it “only” 11.000 dead and not hundreds of thousands, or a million?

          The other from 2021 talks about investigations by the ICC against Israel and Hamas. And you know what? I’m glad they’re looking into that. Alas so far it didn’t get to any conclusions.

          Then you mixed in the apartheid charge in a comment over genocide. I think that’s incoherent as an argument but won’t fight against that one.

          And then there’s the global south, which apparently has a long brewed hatred against Israel for reasons I don’t know. That didn’t start with October 7th. I’m aware of deep seated antisemitism in their leftist parties, and I know that the german Nazis fled to South America when they could, but don’t know enough about their politics to contextualize a single article. So I can’t say anything about that, other than I never heard something from down their that made it clear they even try to get away from antisemitism.

          In conclusion the word genocide, which is quite well defined, still doesn’t seem to uphold to the situation in Gaza. Particularly this week seems to show that a genocide is not Israel’s intention, even when it is in a situation of absolute power. At least not while anyone else than their far right extremist parties has something to say.

          Now, what happens in situations where the Hamas has absolute power we saw during those dreadful hours on October 7th. They hunt down civilians, stopping at nothing unless stopped by force.

          Tell me, how should Israel fight such an opponent, who just today, in the context of a ceasefire called for escalation.

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            I admit that I’m flabbergasted. Do you actually suggest that it’s acceptable to kill children in their homes, schools, and hospital NICUs?

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              No I don’t want children to violently die, nor in any other way. They deserve to live their life. In war, among men and women, children die. Therefore I prefer a world without war.

              As far as this under complex argument goes that’s all I can say.

              I don’t get the vibe you would listen to what the international humanitarian law says about real world situations where war actually occurs, therefore I won’t waste my time spelling this out.

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                under complex argument…

                I have no idea what this is.

                I don’t get the vibe you would listen to what the international humanitarian law says…

                On the contrary, I’m always happy to read or hear from someone who knows more than I do. I’ve seen no evidence that this person is you.

                I won’t waste my time…

                No one asked you to waste your time so far. You did so voluntarily. But you’ve finally found something on which we agree, so I congratulate you for that.

                Peace.

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                  under complex argument…

                  I have no idea what this is.

                  A bad translation apparently. Dictionary says I should have used “oversimplified”

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                    That makes sense.

                    For the record, I don’t know how Israel should defend itself. I’m absolutely certain that indiscriminately killing at least 10 Palestinians who have nowhere to run for every Israeli who died in a terrorist attack those Palestinians were not responsible for is beyond the pale. I’m no fan of Hamas, but this is ultimately a disaster of Israel’s, and only Israel’s, making. Certainly, Netanyahu is guilty of crimes against humanity, war crimes, and countless violations of international and Israeli law. If the Israelis can’t bring him to heel and hold him to account, or are unwilling to do so, then perhaps they shouldn’t have the means to defend themselves at all. Perhaps the territory should be returned to the people from whom it was forcibly taken and re-establish Palestine.