• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    His lawyer made a great point about how law enforcement and the media threw “alleged” out the window and just insisted he did it…

    What’s disappointing is it’s apparently working because when I do see and “allegedly” thrown in, people are down voting it like it’s a conspiracy.

    People always want to act like propaganda can’t effect them, but the whole country immediately accepted that he was guilty because of a tiny change in reporting from the norm.

    But especially with the wrinkle that someone brought it up to the McD’s worker and then she snitched…

    I think the cop’s have a reason they’re sure, it’s just they got that reason illegally thru means we’re not supposed to know they have. Which explains a lot of shit.

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      Frankly I still question if he’s a lookalike scapegoat so the police can save face and try to put it to bed. May also explain the odd “planted” evidence that is being mentioned.

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        Wouldn’t shock me. Police always want things to be done in open and shut cases all of the time. Makes their job easier.

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        Eh, if he was a real random fall guy, they wouldn’t have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

        Like, it’s almost most definitely him…

        But fuck the cops, fuck the wealthy, and fuck the healthcare industry. They need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt and all those groups are habitual liars.

        So if I was on the jury, they’d need a lot of evidence and need to be able to explain how they got it. They used some illegal spy tech shit because it’s a rich victim? Then all evidence gained after gets thrown out.

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          Yeah, and NYPD wouldn’t have gone so far out of state so quickly. If I was trying to grab a fall guy as fast as possible, I would have picked up the nearest criminal I knew that looked vaguely like him and might have had motive.

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            wouldn’t have gone so far out of state so quickly

            Nah, that part I get, they knew shooter came in on a bus, so they grab someone on a bus.

            The gun, silencer, and manifesto could have been from the central park bag.

            It’d just be crazy they wrapped the one guy on a Greyhound bus with generational wealth.

            His best defense is pushing that angle, the “but how did you find me?”

            Like, this part has barely been mentioned:

            Authorities said a customer in the restaurant thought he matched the description of the suspect in Thompson’s killing and notified an employee, who called 911.

            https://www.newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-private-security-1999217

            To me it’s more likely that customer was a fed or law enforcement, they already knew he was there, they just needed a legal way to act on that. There’s been a big push to put all the blame on the fast food worker, but I have a feeling stuff like that would have kept happening and may not even have been the first person told.

            It’s no “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams”, but you could build a legal defense on this that results in all charges thrown out.

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                They don’t need facial recognition, there’s gait recognition that’s just as good.

                However I don’t think that’s what it was because Luigi’s back issues would have introduced variations in gait that make it much harder.

                It’s 2024 bro…

                That’s all stuff we knew about 20 years ago, I think what they used is something we can’t even guess at. Once we find out it’ll sound like common sense like gait recognition and savvier criminals will account for it by doing things like wearing different sized shoes or even putting tacks in their shoes.

                But until people know what’s being used, they can’t beat it reliably, which is why they do these parallel investigations to hide how they really do it (only applicable when one of the elites are victims).

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        This conspiracy theory doesn’t make any sense to me. All the “real killer” would have to do would be to kill someone else and the entire deception would fail.

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      I feel like people want it to be him because they want to know who did it, not because they’re angry but because they want someone to identify with.

      Without wanting to sound like a conspiracy nut, the evidence against him is too convenient. I mean sure he probably did it, but who plans the murder of a high-profile target, escapes the initial manhunt, and then walks around carrying the murder weapon, multiple fake IDs, and a manifesto basically confessing to it? And if you’re the type of person to write a manifesto and expect to be caught, why would you run away in the first place?

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        Yeah, the whole thing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. He went through all that effort to not get caught in the first place, but then just kept the murder weapon, backpack, same outfit, and everything? Unless he wanted to get caught, but then why did he run at all?

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      Luigi Mangione was with me December 3rd, 2024 through December 7th, 2024. He couldn’t possibly have been in New York since i don’t live there.

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    Speaking to CBS, the BBC’s US partner, on Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that the online rhetoric has been “extraordinarily alarming”.

    “It speaks of what is really bubbling here in this country,” he said. “And unfortunately we see that manifested in violence, the domestic violent extremism that exists.”

    Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy? What about the domestic terrorists who go after the queer community, POC communities, women, doctors providing reproductive healthcare…the list goes on.

    Violent extremism isn’t new here. It’s just that this one affects people with power.

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      Yeah, the rules of society say they won and they think all the losers beneath them just have to accept it. The social order is and status quo are great for them. That something would violate it is extremely disturbing to them and provokes an emotional response.

      I think that’s why they seem to be so clumsily overreacting to the murder. Maybe it’s working in segments of the population I don’t see, but everyone in my social network is either outright happy it happened or at least get why it happened. Some will have perfunctory “murder is wrong” statements, but the thrust is about what a corrupt and evil business health insurance is. That’s all the way up to the boomers and crosses political boundaries.

      Things like the perp walk, excessive charges, and corporate comedy pretending everyone just thinks Mangione is a bad guy just highlights the us vs. them of class war rather than trying to somehow quell or redirect the bubbling unrest. I think they’re doing this because their peers and masters are emotionally demanding a visible and recognizable show of power and obedience. If they knew what was good for them they’d be triple-timing it to make some token effort to reform the system, but even a token effort in response to the killing of a rich person would infuriate them, so clumsy performances it is.

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      What about the domestic terrorist corporations who assassinate whistleblowers? Or are there so many hands involved there that it’s not worth the trouble to dismantle those terrorist organizations?