Convincing people to use apps such as Signal is hard work and most can’t be convinced. But with those you manage to convince, do you feel happy to talk to them on Signal?
The problem is these people use Signal on Android/IOS which can’t be trusted and IOS has recently been in the news for having a backdoor. And it has also been revealed that american feds are able to read everyone’s push notifications and they do this as mass surveillance.
So not only do you have to convince people to use Signal which is an incredibly difficult challenge. You also have to convince them to go into settings to disable message and sender being included in the push notifications. And then there’s the big question is the Android and IOS operating systems are doing mass surveillance anyway. And many people find it taking a lot of effort to type on the phone so they install Signal on the computer which is a mac or Windows OS.
So I don’t think I feel comfortable sending messages in Signal but it’s better than Whatsapp.
These were some thoughts to get the discussion started and set the context.
They funded encryption too. Why don’t you stop using that?
Wait until they find out who started the internet. Or who runs GPS satellites
And they never spy on people or track them using the Internet or GPS signals?
Why did you think this was a good argument for supporting privacy?
People think that govt developed = bad. It’s a consideration for sure but if anything govt developed is so hopelessly and inherently compromised then many of the measures discussed here are useless for privacy already because they almost all run through internet, a govt created system. Even TOR. But yet here we are anyway because they are still useful systems.
Governments pour tons of time money and effort into secure communication, and not for profit, and we can still take advantage of that advancement with some caution.
History shows that you shouldn’t automatically trust encryption technologies from the US government.
Just throw your whole computer out the window.
There is plenty of space between absolute trust and its contrapositive.
Why don’t you fork Signal? Then, you’ll know the glowies aren’t funding you.
Which lines its libre software source code are malicious? Know what libre software is?
Okay, be a dumbass. Why don’t you fork yourself?
Will people read these and leave WhatsApp or will they stop caring about privacy?
Totally pointless since the chokepoint is Signal’s US-domiciled back-end server, and Signal doesn’t allow you to self-host it.
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server/blob/main/LICENSE
That says nothing about what they actually run on their server, or who they allow to look at their database. Most importantly, you can’t self-host signal anyway, so posting the source code for something you can’t verify that they even run, is pointless. They went a whole year one time without updating that repo, until the open source community made an uproar about it, and signal was forced to start updating it again.
False, read its software license, linked above.
I don’t think you’re aware of who wrote Lemmy any more than you were aware of who admins lemmy.ml.
Worse, both of you should know better! See its software license cited above.
Spreading funding FUD tells us nothing about whether its license or source code is malicous, just makes people apathetic to privacy.
Good luck with that 😂
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/