Do you think Trump would cease sending bombs? I don’t think he’s any better, and in fact would probably send more. We can protest once she actually does it which might be effective, unlike with Trump who would view the protesters as the enemy.
Nope, I believe that, like Harris, he will continue to uphold bipartisan US foreign policy, and maintain the current flow of bombs to Israel.
Painting Harris as “Palestine’s best hope for continued existence” is monstrous and downplays her already active support for continuing the genocide, it reads as you trying to pre-emptively absolve yourself of guilt for voting for her.
If I could pick anyone, it would be Claudia De La Crúz, but even if I vote for her she won’t win. I just want Liberals to stop pretending that voting for Harris will cease the genocide, because it won’t, and it’s monstrous to suggest otherwise.
Yep, you’re right that she wouldn’t win and you would be propping up Trump by voting for her. I don’t see any “liberals” saying she’ll stop the genocide, either. I only see you bringing up that point in this thread.
Materially, if Trump and Kamala approve the same genocidal weapon shipments, regardless of their individual feelings, what changes? Do you think Trump has fascist magic that makes the bombs Kamala promised to send anyways more deadly?
No, but if you look beyond a single isolated thing you’re crusading for your realize that sending weapons over seas isn’t the only power the president has. The president can make the world much worse beyond a single conflict in the middle east.
You can’t see being that single issue. Other people are looking at long reaching impact. If my your admission they both want to send bombs, then look at what else they are doing. Try to effect some level of change and take action instead of just judging and bitching.
Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”? I said nothing of the sort, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other. Palestine is fucked either way, unfortunately.
Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala, and Kamala at least has better domestic policy anyway. I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.
Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”?
Didn’t realize you were a different person from the original commenter I was talking to. Speaking of, it’s helpful for people to have profile pics for that reason.
The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other.
How will one candidate do it more than the other? Is Trump going to build bombs himself? This is a bipartisan effort.
Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala,
Correct, and Kamala will not be any better for Palestine than Trump, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.
I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.
Vote for whoever you want, just don’t pretend your vote for Harris is helping Palestinians. The US is dedicated to genocide either way.
I’m not going to upload a profile picture so that you can avoid reading.
Trump will give the military industrial complex more money. Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.
Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide and also hurt myself and my queer friends. Are you a single issue voter?
Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.
Trump will give the military industrial complex more money.
Lmao. How? Is he going to beg Congress to pass what they already are agreeing to pass?
Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.
Not at all, I think he’s a monstrous piece of shit, I just don’t think he has magic powers like you do.
Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide
Again, materially, how?
Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.
I don’t care who you vote for with respect to the genocide, both candidates support current US foreign policy and neither will change it, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.
I accidentally deleted my comment when I went to edit it. My apologies.
Miriam Adelson is one of the Trump campaign’s chief financiers. She pledged the Trump campaign in the neighborhood of $100m to support Israel’s annexation of the West Bank. That would be direct acceleration of the genocide.
That would likely provoke a war with Iran, and even then, he wouldn’t be able to do that without bipartisan support. If he can do that, and it can be proven Kamala would not, that is tangible evidence of escalation, something everyone else here failed to provide in any capacity, thanks.
Still, again, I question his ability to actually accomplish that even if he wanted to, and question that under conditions that allow him to be able to that Kamala would not also go through with it, given her record of unconditional support for genocide.
One of the candidates from the major parties will win. Period. One will gleefully do what he can to accelerate the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has said they’re not concerned with Iran, and they shouldn’t be with all the weapons the west sends them.
Harris is currently the VP and can’t just openly go against the administration she is serving in and therefore is in a tough spot, I’d imagine. Do I think Harris will commit to a weapons blockade or any sort of immediate solution? Absolutely not.
I do, however, think that Harris will 100% be more open to measures to bring about a ceasefire through pressuring Netanyahu and the Israeli state. That’s the choice.
Nobody in US politics has a chance to stop the genocide instantaneously. That’s the fact. Nobody that will be elected can do that. Harris, I believe, will be far more open to measures that will bring about change.
Do you think Trump would cease sending bombs? I don’t think he’s any better, and in fact would probably send more. We can protest once she actually does it which might be effective, unlike with Trump who would view the protesters as the enemy.
Nope, I believe that, like Harris, he will continue to uphold bipartisan US foreign policy, and maintain the current flow of bombs to Israel.
Painting Harris as “Palestine’s best hope for continued existence” is monstrous and downplays her already active support for continuing the genocide, it reads as you trying to pre-emptively absolve yourself of guilt for voting for her.
Point me in the direction of your preferred candidate then.
If I could pick anyone, it would be Claudia De La Crúz, but even if I vote for her she won’t win. I just want Liberals to stop pretending that voting for Harris will cease the genocide, because it won’t, and it’s monstrous to suggest otherwise.
Yep, you’re right that she wouldn’t win and you would be propping up Trump by voting for her. I don’t see any “liberals” saying she’ll stop the genocide, either. I only see you bringing up that point in this thread.
Read the thread, there are plenty of people on this thread pretending Harris will be better for Palestine, which is a lie.
There are two people, by definition one is better. So you saying her being better is a lie must mean you think Trump is better. Which is insane.
This is a new level of liberal gymnastics, lmao.
Materially, if Trump and Kamala approve the same genocidal weapon shipments, regardless of their individual feelings, what changes? Do you think Trump has fascist magic that makes the bombs Kamala promised to send anyways more deadly?
No, but if you look beyond a single isolated thing you’re crusading for your realize that sending weapons over seas isn’t the only power the president has. The president can make the world much worse beyond a single conflict in the middle east.
You can’t see being that single issue. Other people are looking at long reaching impact. If my your admission they both want to send bombs, then look at what else they are doing. Try to effect some level of change and take action instead of just judging and bitching.
Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”? I said nothing of the sort, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other. Palestine is fucked either way, unfortunately.
Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala, and Kamala at least has better domestic policy anyway. I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.
Didn’t realize you were a different person from the original commenter I was talking to. Speaking of, it’s helpful for people to have profile pics for that reason.
How will one candidate do it more than the other? Is Trump going to build bombs himself? This is a bipartisan effort.
Correct, and Kamala will not be any better for Palestine than Trump, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.
Vote for whoever you want, just don’t pretend your vote for Harris is helping Palestinians. The US is dedicated to genocide either way.
I’m not going to upload a profile picture so that you can avoid reading.
Trump will give the military industrial complex more money. Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.
Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide and also hurt myself and my queer friends. Are you a single issue voter?
Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.
Lmao. How? Is he going to beg Congress to pass what they already are agreeing to pass?
Not at all, I think he’s a monstrous piece of shit, I just don’t think he has magic powers like you do.
Again, materially, how?
I don’t care who you vote for with respect to the genocide, both candidates support current US foreign policy and neither will change it, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.
I accidentally deleted my comment when I went to edit it. My apologies.
Miriam Adelson is one of the Trump campaign’s chief financiers. She pledged the Trump campaign in the neighborhood of $100m to support Israel’s annexation of the West Bank. That would be direct acceleration of the genocide.
https://archive.is/qUpIJ
Adelson previously donated close to $100m to Trump support moving the embassy back to Tel Aviv, which Trump gleefully supported.
That would likely provoke a war with Iran, and even then, he wouldn’t be able to do that without bipartisan support. If he can do that, and it can be proven Kamala would not, that is tangible evidence of escalation, something everyone else here failed to provide in any capacity, thanks.
Still, again, I question his ability to actually accomplish that even if he wanted to, and question that under conditions that allow him to be able to that Kamala would not also go through with it, given her record of unconditional support for genocide.
One of the candidates from the major parties will win. Period. One will gleefully do what he can to accelerate the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has said they’re not concerned with Iran, and they shouldn’t be with all the weapons the west sends them.
Harris is currently the VP and can’t just openly go against the administration she is serving in and therefore is in a tough spot, I’d imagine. Do I think Harris will commit to a weapons blockade or any sort of immediate solution? Absolutely not.
I do, however, think that Harris will 100% be more open to measures to bring about a ceasefire through pressuring Netanyahu and the Israeli state. That’s the choice.
Nobody in US politics has a chance to stop the genocide instantaneously. That’s the fact. Nobody that will be elected can do that. Harris, I believe, will be far more open to measures that will bring about change.
Is there a perfect option? There never is.