A Russian kamikaze drone on Wednesday flew into NATO air space and detonated near a Romanian village, Ukrainian news reports said, but official Bucharest said the fact of the strike wasn’t confirmed and that they would check.
Ukrainian social media video recorded in the river port city of Izmail, opposite Plaura, showed an orange flash lighting up the night horizon and a booming blast on the Romanian side of the river. Flames and smoke reaching hundreds of meters into the sky were visible following the explosion. A Russian kamikaze drone strike against Izmail had been in progress at the time.
Why are you guys so eager for young men going to war to die?
I don’t want young men to die, I want the Russians to go home, return Ukrainian sovereign territory, and live peacefully. I don’t want Russians bombing and killing Ukraine or any other nation. I want them to fuck off, and if they won’t fuck off, I want the Ukrainian military to kill them all and protect themselves.
Great, we all want the same thing, why is Ukraine and NATO not working toward a peace agreement? Why did NATO give weapons to Ukraine to propagate a war that they were always going to lose?
To punish the organization that started the war.
Punishing violence with violence may seem like fighting fire with fire, but fire doesn’t respond to operant conditioning or compute game theory.
When an intelligent agent is causing problems, making problems for that agent is a way to signal that you’ll use your social power to alter their decision tree until they start playing nice again.
So to punish politicians that started a war you are willing to have hundreds of thousands of young men and civilians die? How exactly does that punish politicians that are not there and whos kids down have to fight?
Why doesn’t Russia just go home? Why is it up to Ukraine to do anything but defend itself?
They signed a treaty so are beholding to the terms of the treaty.
Russia wont just go home because they see Ukraine joining nato as an direct threat to their survival. Why did NATO agree to consider Ukraine as a potential NATO member when they knew it would likely cause war?
Russia pushed Ukraine into seeking NATO membership when they attacked them in 2014. Ukraine was neutral before that.
And NATO pushed Russia to take over Crimea when it helped to overthrow an elected government. Where does it stop?
I love how Russia invading other countries is always everyone else’s fault. Hilarious.
So you think its irrelevant what the opinions of other countries just as long as your government thinks its right? How many wars could have been avoided by listening to the grievances of other cultures?
Because they offered “fuck off and we can have peace” but russia wants to keep eastern UA territories
And how exactly do they get those eastern territories back?
By russia withdrawing and recognizing other sovereign countries’ borders. That’d be a good start.
Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
To give a clear answer to the how: fight until russia fucks off.
What happens when they run out of men to fight?
Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won’t negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
They mean ‘kill every single ukranian in east ukraine’ as they where trying to do pre-2020.
Who was trying to kill them?
If they were always going to lose, then why are we multiple years in to a 3 day special operation?
Ukraine is entitled to the protection of its sovereignty above all else, and it is entitled to seek help in that effort. Peace cannot come at the cost of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you’re getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.
Losing slow doesn’t mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.
This is so gutless. “Well sure I’d prefer unicorns and rainbows but KILL KILL KILL”… just say what you really mean and stand by it.
I thought I was pretty clear, I want Russia to give back Ukrainian sovereign territory and leave back to UN recognized Russian borders and stop the war. There is no peace process without them leaving Ukraine alone.
East ukraine is composed of 90% ethnic russians and the dividing line was imposed on them by a foriegn power, I dont think ‘sovereign’ applies. I could see that for West ukraine but it doesnt seem like Russia is interested in that either.
That’s not a serious negotiating position when Russia is winning. Shit like this is getting people killed.
Rewarding invasions gets people killed.
There are already young men going to war to die.
War is death. There is no glory. There is no pride. None of them are heroes by choice, and many never feel like heroes after their friends die by their side.
War is violence. A desire of man to take with force the independence of a people and exchange that for subservience under the guise of land, resources, need.
Young people are tricked to serve. Recruited to become servants, coerced through deceit to don colors and weapons. Made to repeat mistakes because smaller men want and are not freely given. To solely defend and defy the overreaching end of a tyrant’s sword is to fight for reason earned from treachery and desire.
Humanity is not defined by grief. We are defined by the selfless acts of love and kindness in the darkest hours. Make no mistake; monsters do exist, and the worst are never the ones in harm’s way.
But sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying. The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. In this case it would be a selfless act of love and kindness.
When an individual does that, they are doing so with a clear choice that they made. In a war, men die and leave families behind, and because they chose to defend their country, they are used to defend the interests of those with long swords and heavy sticks. They die without a choice far too often because they were tricked into believing they defend their homes.
All too often they’re forced into conflict that has very little to do with that choice. If our military didn’t try so hard to coerce and trick younger people into joining and thus being forced into conflict, I would be a bit less resentful and hateful towards the practice. That, however, is not the case.
How would you describe what Azov paramilitary groups were doing in eastern Ukraine from about 2014-2022
Almost like propagating breakaway “states” in all of your neighbors territories empowers nationalist in said neighboring states?
How would you describe what Igor Girkins “paramilitary” group were doing in eastern Ukraine in 2014? You know, when he wasn’t shooting down a plane full of civilians…
Why have more? Better yet why not try to stop the ones that are?
more to stop it faster.
This whole war was 100% avoidable and you think that escalating it would make it end faster… dude…
Nato entering would basically be an overwhelming force against Russia. It’s going to end real quick after that.
So then russia uses tactical nukes, then what?
Putin would know fully well that M.A.D. isnt worth it over the russo-ukranian war.
Are you aware that he has threatened this multiple times? Who do you think Ukraine is more imporant to Russia (its neighbor) or the US (a country on the other side of the world where a good portion of people couldnt point to it on a map)?
You apparently don’t
Okay so you want a hot war between Russia and NATO and you think that would be less violent?
Where are you getting your information from?
That would kill millions at minimum and likely result in nuclear war. It’s utterly psychopathic to cheerlead this and totally detached from the horrors you’re wishcasting. Disgusting.
avoidable how? Putin wants his old territories, like crimea, back. How is his land grab 100% avoidable?
Crimea had been in Russian hands for nearly a decade when Russia invaded.
Nearly a decade since they took it from Ukraine. So the solution to avoid war is handing Russia all territory they want? Where does that stop? At the polish border? At the German border? French border? At the Atlantic?
The point here is that you don’t even know the basic facts you’re talking about. Russia didn’t want Crimea in 2022; they already had it.
It’s also laughable – genuinely embarrassing – to suggest Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe. Pure fantasy plucked straight out of thin air.
As for deterrence, that’s already been accomplished, especially if you believe the casualty numbers Ukranian propaganda puts out. Clearly there is a cost to war. The goal now is to end the fighting on as favorable of terms as you can realistically get.
Right, and Putin wanted more than just Crimea.
It was all about Ukraine joining nato. Had there been a promise that Ukraine would not join nato, this war would not have happened. The people in charge knew this and decided to do seek Ukraine joining nato anyways, why would they do this if they knew it would cause war?
Bullshit. Crimea was invaded mere days after the change of power in 2014, far before anyone of note was seriously talking about Ukraine joining NATO. Support for separatists elsewhere soon followed. It was about Russia exerting a “sphere of influence” that it felt entitled to. The Russian leadership can’t seem to get that countries are joining NATO because of Russian imperialism, past and present.
Russia took over Crimea due to the overthrow of the Pro russian government with a pro west government, a thing they also found as direct provocation. Why did Russia invade Georgia?
Every war was just as avoidable as this one. Yet we live in a world where not everyone wants to avoid war.
War is what happens when those who want to avoid it are forced into interaction with those who don’t.
If those who don’t want war simply choose not to fight, then a state worse than war exists.