The statement followed a report in The Times that a federal health official had urged the removal of age minimums from treatment guidelines for transgender minors.
Maybe there will be a time when most voters agree with surgeries and drugs for children, but I don’t think we’re there yet, and I don’t think your “fuck off and die” attitude is going to convince very many people to be accepting of trans people.
You’re providing a perfect example of the kind of attitude that will get fascists elected. You’re replying to someone who largely supports trans people and issues, but you’re foaming at the mouth over arguments that I didn’t advance, implying that I think it’s OK to murder trans people.
Consider that the idea of puberty being something that moderates are “inflicting” on trans kids is a fairly radical view and you might need to do more than tell people to “fuck off and die” if you want support for your cause.
While an aggressive attitude won’t change the mind of bigots, a polite and respectful response to someone who advocates for forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is going to be especially difficult for people with personal trauma for it, and it’s unreasonable to expect it of them.
I think it’s a reasonable reaction to throw polite discourse out when people use “moderate” as a cover for their bigotry. This is like when “moderate” person said that segregation of black people was reasonable when people were fighting for their civil rights, and that since the moderates weren’t pro-slavery so they were the good guys. No, you’re not the good guys, you’re just not as bad as the super evil guys. Congrats.
Now I won’t tell you to “fuck off and die”, but I will tell you to fuck off. If you were someone I personally knew, I would have put in the effort to be polite and try to educate you or whatever, but since we don’t know each other it’s unlikely to land.
The difference between MLKs views about moderates in the civil rights movement and not supporting surgeries and drugs for children is that white people were (and arguably still are) actively oppressing black people.
Puberty is not something that is “inflicted” on anyone. It just happens, it’s part of life. It’s disingenuous to assert that puberty is an affliction , or that someone is afflicting it on someone else. Unless you’re also arguing that birth is an affliction?
Puberty is not something that is “inflicted” on anyone.
It is when we have the safe medication to make it avoidable for someone who would be harmed by it, but “”“moderates”“” are tying themselves into knots trying to find ways to subvert the medical consensus because the existence of trans children makes them uncomfortable or whatever fucking justification they tell themselves.
Oh, so trans people are responsible for transphobia now. We should just shut up and “keep it in the bedroom, I don’t want to see that kind of stuff on public” and maybe the “largely supportive” cissoids will give us a crumb of rights. Got it.
I empathize with you and understand that you’ve probably had some traumatic experiences. But no, I did not say anything like what you’re asserting, and I’m not sure how you could have read that from my response.
I don’t think your “fuck off and die” attitude is going to convince very many people to be accepting of trans people.
Do you think maybe that attitude is the result of being one of the primary political scapegoats for fascists for several years now, while liberals have largely sat on their hands and done nothing while hundreds and hundreds of discriminatory bills flow through state legislatures every single year? While liberals like you gradually adopt reactionary framing (the “dangers” of puberty blockers and the alleged commonality of trans surgeries for children) on the issue, ceding ever more ground to their rhetoric?
You’re providing a perfect example of the kind of attitude that will get fascists elected.
And then victim blaming as the cherry on top. Very cool.
Maybe there will be a time when most voters agree with surgeries and drugs for children, but I don’t think we’re there yet, and I don’t think your “fuck off and die” attitude is going to convince very many people to be accepting of trans people.
You’re providing a perfect example of the kind of attitude that will get fascists elected. You’re replying to someone who largely supports trans people and issues, but you’re foaming at the mouth over arguments that I didn’t advance, implying that I think it’s OK to murder trans people.
Consider that the idea of puberty being something that moderates are “inflicting” on trans kids is a fairly radical view and you might need to do more than tell people to “fuck off and die” if you want support for your cause.
While an aggressive attitude won’t change the mind of bigots, a polite and respectful response to someone who advocates for forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is going to be especially difficult for people with personal trauma for it, and it’s unreasonable to expect it of them.
I think it’s a reasonable reaction to throw polite discourse out when people use “moderate” as a cover for their bigotry. This is like when “moderate” person said that segregation of black people was reasonable when people were fighting for their civil rights, and that since the moderates weren’t pro-slavery so they were the good guys. No, you’re not the good guys, you’re just not as bad as the super evil guys. Congrats.
Now I won’t tell you to “fuck off and die”, but I will tell you to fuck off. If you were someone I personally knew, I would have put in the effort to be polite and try to educate you or whatever, but since we don’t know each other it’s unlikely to land.
I say it as someone who used to think like you.
The difference between MLKs views about moderates in the civil rights movement and not supporting surgeries and drugs for children is that white people were (and arguably still are) actively oppressing black people.
Puberty is not something that is “inflicted” on anyone. It just happens, it’s part of life. It’s disingenuous to assert that puberty is an affliction , or that someone is afflicting it on someone else. Unless you’re also arguing that birth is an affliction?
It is when we have the safe medication to make it avoidable for someone who would be harmed by it, but “”“moderates”“” are tying themselves into knots trying to find ways to subvert the medical consensus because the existence of trans children makes them uncomfortable or whatever fucking justification they tell themselves.
Oh, so trans people are responsible for transphobia now. We should just shut up and “keep it in the bedroom, I don’t want to see that kind of stuff on public” and maybe the “largely supportive” cissoids will give us a crumb of rights. Got it.
I empathize with you and understand that you’ve probably had some traumatic experiences. But no, I did not say anything like what you’re asserting, and I’m not sure how you could have read that from my response.
Do you think maybe that attitude is the result of being one of the primary political scapegoats for fascists for several years now, while liberals have largely sat on their hands and done nothing while hundreds and hundreds of discriminatory bills flow through state legislatures every single year? While liberals like you gradually adopt reactionary framing (the “dangers” of puberty blockers and the alleged commonality of trans surgeries for children) on the issue, ceding ever more ground to their rhetoric?
And then victim blaming as the cherry on top. Very cool.