I prefer “list” view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.
God, Youtube has gone to shit lately.
Lately in this context, meaning about the last 15 or so years.
They added sort from oldest back! wooooooo. One step forward after being launched backwards into a pile of shit.
They only removed it because it interfered with a new feature they added to the mobile app. If they removed it for monetary reasons (like what they did with dislikes), they wouldn’t have brought it back
I don’t give a cunt’s dick why they removed it in the first place, why are you defending anything about it
I’m not defending anything. I think you misunderstood my comment
You can hide segments like that with ublock, fwiw. It’s been really useful to me for these kinds of changes every single website seems to be pushing these days.
I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:
www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse #dismissible ytd-rich-grid-slim-media[is-short]:upward(ytd-rich-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer,ytd-shelf-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-reel-shelf-renderer www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search #contents ytd-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.
I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.
I don’t mind shorts so much but Enhancer for Youtube has the ability to convert shorts to regular videos or hide them.
But the Videos are still only 1 Minute long. I find them a disgrace for my attention span. Before shorts/tiktok people were already arguing how deep a video of 10 Minute really can be and might be giving only a shallow idea of a topic. Going even further down to 1 Minute per topic is too much (less) for me. I prefer videos 20 Minutes+. Mostly 45-60 Minutes hit a decent spot for me to feel like I learned something about a topic. A couple of days ago I watched a 2-parts video of 6h and 5h (over several days) about the Russo-Japanese war. And even that was skimming over a lot of topics (obviously) but afterwards I felt like I understood something. I dont know how a 1 Minute short can transport anything other than just “a feeling of knowledge” - at this point it is basically just entertainment. I already felt 10 Minutes was snack-infotainment short. 1 Minute clips leave me behind like eating candy for dinner: Very unsatisfied. And maybe that is the reason people then click the next tiktok/short, because they actually do not feel satisfied by such a short clip and have the feeling for wanting more. And they satisfy this “more” by switching to another 1-Minute video. Again getting the feeling of more, yet getting less in the end of the day.
Any chance you can drop a link to 11 hours on the Russo-Japanese war? Didn’t even know that was a thing
Sure. Here you go: Part 1, Part2, (there even is a third part) - I strongly advice to watch it on 1.5x, as the speaker is very slow
I liked the very detailed day-by-day turns in the first part as well as the epic sea-fights in the second part. Also the small biography-slides with detailed vitaes of military personal gave a good idea in what time people lived and where they were going. Combined with an endless stream of original photos and drawings of the fights, it was a very dense documentation and gave a good image about war, russia, japan and the though-process of early 20th century military tactics.
Not even that comical story about the misadventures of the Russian Navy? Oh man, you’re really missing out!
Here are a couple of videos about it:
- <10-minute video by BlueJay (presented in a casual/funny/meme-y way)
- >40-minute video by Drachinifel (presented in a serious documentary kind of way)
If you’ve got 50 minutes to spare, it’s worth watching both.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4
https://piped.video/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
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Hey bot, you missed the fact that there were two videos linked in that comment.
Can you share the videos about the war? They sound interesting.
True but also to be fair I have attention issues and can’t really sit too long for a whole video but they’re good for a lot of little critical role clips!
Then again I’m on like Tiktok all the time so I’m used to it :3
I think (if it is not a disorder) attention span can be trained. It takes discipline and a true interest into a topic other than just a vague excitement. If you are able to state what topics you are interested in for yourself, you might be able to concentrate on 10-30 Minutes of the same topic. People who are really into The Kardashians are able to watch a whole 50 Minute episode of them. So it is not the problem of concentration for them, it is more that they need something put in front of them for that they can feel a passion or enthusiasm they deeply care about - even it is just The Kardashians. Here is the thing: People have no problem browsing 2h+ of tiktok, but can not concentrate on 10x 20min video? I think if you have a real interest in something you can get through longer videos. Do you look for thing you really care about or do you actively looking for a distraction when you browse tiktok? It is not a bad thing to use it that way. After a long day of work, it can relax your brain browsing real shallow, short clips. But daily, in high doses… then I think it is maybe another reason people do it (escapism, etc.)
I dont know where I have it from
Maybe from here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
I really think i got it from a Reddit comment, but it is good to know the source of it. Thank you.
path[d^=“M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33”]
Some of those rules are OK, but the
pathrules will be pretty flaky since they’re relying on a particular shape (like an icon or something) being present on the page.
Also with a browser extension. Wikihow has a page on how to do it 5 different ways.
yep, I use this on Firefox currently
Added and thank you!
I found youtube in particular to use very generic functionq that are used in other places so blocking something small ends up blocking other things, iirc from the long time ago that I wasn’t using piped, blocking youtube premium prompt broke comments or something along those lines
Sure, it depends on the coding of the site. Personally, I make sure to block the entire container where possible, and I haven’t run into too many issues like that.
only had the problem on youtube, I remember trying a lot of different elements to see how I could get around it
Also DeArrow extension is really good for removing the clickbait thumbnails and replaces them with a simple still from the video itself. It also removes Emojis and special characters from the titles.
Other essential extensions for YouTube for me are (1) sponsorblock and (2) enhancer for YouTube.
DeArrowing is the thing I didn’t know I needed. Thanks!
Anyone using Arc who needs a boost to block all YouTube bloat, let me know. I created one for myself but haven’t submitted it to the gallery. It hides shorts, suggested search results and some other crap.
I use rehike personally, it has the old layout so shorts are barely shown
I will also recommend blocktube extension.
The new slider replacement.
You can also hide these segments by just clicking the X in the top right corner. It’ll hide the shelf (I think that’s how YouTube calls them) for 30 days.
Just add this line to the “My Filters” section for the uBlock Origin extension.
- click the extension in your top bar
- click the “gears” icon/button
- click the “My Filters” tab and add this line :
www.youtube.com###content > .ytd-rich-section-renderer.style-scope
My original mastadon post has screenshots with red guide marks in case this is confusing:
There’s an even more extensive filter list for hiding shorts here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
Youtube added shorts to subscription, and i added Youtube-shorts block to firefox.
Nice one
Same. They can try as much as they want to make it happen, but if people don’t want it, people don’t want it no matter how much they force them.
Fuck YouTube shorts. It’s infuriating that YouTube doesn’t provide us an option to remove all traces of that fuckin cancer from the platform.
My biggest issue is so many of the people I sub that have shorts, the shorts are their normal videos but only a small clip of it. I dont want that, Im already watching the videos!
Agreed. Some of the YouTubers I watch have said that YouTube is forcing them to make shorts because their videos won’t be shown to people if they don’t. A couple are even doing a bit of malicious compliance and taking the piss out of YouTube Shorts because they hate it as much as we do.
If we wanted short clips, we’d be on TikTok damnit!
If we wanted short clips, we’d be on TikTok damnit!
Exactly. YouTube doesn’t want to lose out on that revenue/time spent on other platforms…
I don’t mind YouTube shorts usually, although my TikTok feed is far better. But last week, my YouTube app started opening to the shorts tab. Infuriating. I’ll watch a short if it piques my interest, but that’s not what I’m going to YouTube for.
Press the X? Gotcha! I’ll remove shorts for 30 days or until you come back without cookies in 10 minutes.
This is like going to the drug store to an inhaler but their entrance takes you through the perfume section to get to the pharmacy.
My local shoppers drug mart does this…
Ah, you’ve been to shoppers drug mart in Canada I see
Welcome to the worlds best anti-monopoly education. See just why monopolies suck in real time!
Monopolies are problematic, of course, but it’s more than that. Monopolies, especially in the luxury space, still have to compete with consumers making the choice to not consume at all.
It’s more nefarious than that. This is a symptom of “you are the product, not the paying customer”. You get absolutely no say in how to product is used, and worse, your experience will actively be harmed if it means the real client, advertisers, get more value extracted out of you.
Y’all just sheep walking happily into the slaughterhouse, thinking the farmer is here to feed and shelter you, and it’s just missfortune that the farmer has to put you in some dirty cages, when in fact, the farmer does this intentionally because it’s more profitable that way.
Having two factory farms (TikTok) doesn’t make the conditions for the animals better. In fact maybe it even makes it worse, as the farms compete to cut costs.
The real solution is a new buisness model. Organic farms… Or payed video platforms, where the solution provider builds the software for the user, not advertisers.
I think we’ve passed the point where any non-free service could compete with a free one. The short term gains of shoving ads in everyone’s face is in full force.
I do think in the future when these companies have burned through every ounce of investor money we’ll go back to paid services, but I think that’s a decade out or more. There already exists a few paid services similar to YouTube such as
diet quibiDropout, Nebula, and Floatplane (I think it’s premium), and I think those will serve as the models for future services.They’re all rather affordable and their models are setup for people that want to follow creators (nebula and Floatplane) or for people that want to follow specific shows (dropout). They don’t advertise to you, there are no sponsor spots, and they’re always working to improve their platforms for the user. Hell, in a recent episode on dropout, the CEO admitted that their player had issues that they wanted to fix completely unprompted.
Hopefully future services will model themselves in a similar way, of not an improved formula, but again I think it’s a long way out
uBlock Origin makes this easy:
Instructions Screenshot 1. Find a Shorts section on the page 
2. Select the element picker in uBlock Origin 
3. Select the Shorts section 
4. Click “Create” 
5. Enjoy 
I would recommend clicking Preview before Create. You know what will be removed before creating a rule is better.
There are pre-made filterlists that deal with annoyances like this (which tend to end up more reliable as tools that randomize/minify CSS classes get widely adopted), not just on YT but the wider web as a whole. I’ve written about how to set them up here: https://blahaj.zone/@ShittyKopper/pages/usable-web if you want to take a look at it
This is a great resource, thank you very much!
You can also use the “zap” feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it’ll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.
This is just temporary, if you refresh the page it will show section again.
It was not temporary for me. I had to go into my settings and delete my changes to get it working again.
This is defined as temporary in uBlock documentation.
Reloading the web page will cause all removed elements to return.
Your link talks about the element zapper, the icon that looks like a lightning. The instructions above talk about the element picker, the icon that looks like an eye dropper.
You can also use the “zap” feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it’ll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.
OMG thank you ☺️
Some more filters for blocking Shorts from YT can be found here.
I can’t thank you enough.
I fucking hate shorts so much. I completely blocked them:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-shorts-block/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-shorts-block/jiaopdjbehhjgokpphdfgmapkobbnmjp
It’s amazing how much YouTube doesn’t understand what people do and don’t like about TikTok
Watching every platform ruin itself to become a facsimile of every other platform is deeply infuriating and exhausting
Seriously. How do those out of touch corporate morons not understand that different things are good because they provide different things?
If I wanted TikTok shit I’d use TikTok. I use YouTube to watch videos, not TikTok shit.
BUT THE MARKET SHARE!!!
I honestly can’t figure out what anyone actually likes about tiktok. I installed it and after 30 minutes was annoyed with the autoplaying and having things just forced on me. I want to choose what to play. All the time, I hate anything anywhere that autoplays, and I don’t understand how anyone actually enjoys that. Its like being told that being poked in the eye with a needle was really popular.
It feeds an anxious brain’s desire for dopamine. Just “here’s a nonstop feed of easy to digest content.” I think it’s kinda predatory, tbh, and that’s not to get into anything else about the company
Reduced the amount of videos per row too, had to find a ublock filter for that one.
If anyone is interested: https://pastebin.com/raw/SMVYXFHe
Honestly this is better than it was - prior to this change the shorts were just mixed in with the regular videos … now at least you can scroll past them and see only videos.
Shorts are cancer yes?
How is it that such a shitty site/corporation has continued to maintain a grip on this market? Why aren’t we inundated with viable alternatives?
Hosting video is expensive?
That’s basically it. The only potential competitor is Twitch, but even then Amazon only really gets into free streaming content.
Google has cheap hosting costs and the best ad market in the industry. The only non-porn competitors either charge the uploader to host or charge the user to watch.
Yeah. Everyone thinks it’s easy to just “setup a YouTube”.
I support nebula which is a subscription service with some good creators. And because “fuck shorts and clickbait titles/thumbnails”.
Being free is a huge part of it too. For better and worse.
Nebula is making good inroads. It’s well positioned to (eventually) make a shift from “YouTube parasite” to “YouTube alternative”.
Week by week it becomes more and more enticing. Most creators I watch are on it as well so I wouldn’t really lose much.
I don’t see it as YouTube parasite so much as the next step up for creators on the monetization chain.
I’m not saying it being a YouTube parasite is a BAD thing. But as long as it’s primarily getting it’s views from people who started watching on YouTube first, “parasite” is an apt description.
Also fighting copyright claims from the music and movie industry is even more expensive and difficult.
Microsoft (with their Azure) has more than enough storage space. They got CDNs and video streaming technologies (that anyone can use in their own products). But they’ve still given up their own music streaming service and public video upload service.
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there’s peertube and odyssey but idk how viable either of them are long term. peertube at least is decentralized, not sure if odyssey is too or not
i know Louis Rossmann also posts on Odyssey
Odyssey
You mean “Odysee,” I guess?
…Hey, browsing the “Home” and “Featured” categories, there are a couple of other Youtubers I recognize! Not many, but a few:
- Veritasium
- 3Blue1Brown
- Undecided with Matt Ferrell
- Bright Sun Films
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I agree that becoming too associated with nazi trolls (which are uniquely a problem in a way that even other sorts of extremists are not, because of the paradox of tolerance) is a huge danger to nascent platforms. I’m not sure what to do about it either, except maybe to continue trying to promote the platforms even despite the risk of offending them in hopes that they can grow faster than they lose reputation. And in the case of Peertube, defederating from instances hosting hateful content, I guess.
By the way, this…
implying that all lgbtq+ people are p*dophiles, which is a completely fucked and cruel thing to say
…is actually an understatement. What they’re actually doing is engaging in the equivalent of blood libel and trying to incite a pogrom.
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Because it has all the good content. The creators are what makes watching YouTube so fun, not the site itself.
Peertube works.
It’s sad having a front row seat to The Internet slowly killing itself.
The thing is that video hosting is very expensive and only large companies like Google/YouTube can afford to do it at anywhere near their scale. You need multiple copies of every video all around the world to ensure they play well for users, with no buffering, and that much infra (servers, storage, high-quality bandwidth rather than just using Cogent everywhere, etc) costs a lot.
PeerTube exists (and has for a while). It’s a federated alternative to YouTube that uses torrents to share video, rather than centralizing it in one server.
The problem for creators is that they can’t make money off of PeerTube - thus there’s no incentive outside of making a Patreon.
The problem for creators is that they can’t make money off of PeerTube - thus there’s no incentive outside of making a Patreon.
Isn’t Youtube itself getting to that point too? The way lots of Youtubers complain about it and push their Patreons and alternative subscription streaming services (Curiosity Stream/Nebula/Floatplane/etc.), it sure seems that way.
You’re mostly right, expect video playback doesn’t need high quality bandwidth.
Video players usually keep a forward buffer of a few minutes of video, which means your connection can be extremely unstable and still provide smooth playback as long as your average bandwidth is sufficient.
Video players usually keep a forward buffer of a few minutes of video
You still need good bandwidth to ensure the video starts playing right away, plus enough bandwidth to be able to buffer ahead while lots of people are using the service at the same time. I’ve seen some video sites that need to buffer for a looooong time before the video starts playing.
A few minutes of video at 4K takes a noticeable amount of space, so I don’t think video sites would buffer that far ahead for 4K.
the ad based internet, as it is today was never supposed to work as some people will always block ads meaning more ads pushed to regular users and thus more people using adblock until we hit the break-even point and the site is forced to shut down or do the enshitification thing
Boy am I glad I have the extension that makes shorts invisble
May I ask which extension you are running?
Thanks. I find the Enhancer for YT a bit over kill.
Have you tried pockettube? it allows yyou to create categories so you can bunch your channels together. It’s pretty cool.
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You can use the regular Youtube interface for shorts, I do it everytime I open one:
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go to a short video
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replace the
/shorts/part of the URL by/v/ -
??? (trigger warning: old meme)
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Profit
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It’s all intentional. They know that overall it increases engagement and that’s all they care about.
Even Instagram and Tiktok let people fast forward videos. YouTube needs to get their shit together.
The zombie clicker demographic is their best customer/product
