Biden administration dramatically softens the sanctions it imposed on the seven Israelis from the Israel Defense Forces and makes it clear that they will be able to use their bank accounts.
People still going to act like somehow Israel controlling Dems is completely different than Russia controlling republicans.
If we had standards we could have politicians that dont belong to foreign genocidal fascists.
But when you say that, assholes that defend either party no matter what both accuse you of stupid shit online. Because they literally can’t fathom having standards instead of blind loyalty. They’re so far gone they can’t process that’s a valid option.
No one’s “controlling” either party of the most powerful country in the world. This is how right-wingers think instead of analyzing things materially.
Supporting the US colony in Palestine is bipartisan for obvious reasons. And the only reason republicans are more open to Russia right now is because they want to change focus to China, because they (correct, imo) see China as the current biggest threat to US hegemony rather than Russia.
What the fuck?
I’m used to republicans saying Russia doesn’t control republicans…
I’m used to neoliberals saying AIPAC doesn’t control the Dems who take their money…
And while rare, I’ve seen others that criticize both parties like I do
But I’m honestly intrigued how an American in 2024 can look at both parties, and legitimately Believe everything is fine.
Supporting the US colony in Palestine
Like, do you think Israel is a US colony?
And your part about Russia and Republicans?
Where the fuck do you get your opinions from mate?
“Israel” was formed as a general western settler colony in Palestine using common british colonization tactics [III], with companies literally named “Colonization Commission”, “Jewish Colonial Trust” and the like. And has been functioning mostly as US colony since.
Theodor Herzl, founder of the colonial ideology he called “zionism”, was himself also just a racist colonizer by his own admission, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]
Only difference now is that the US has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2, no longer UK in Europe.
As for republicans, if you pay attention to the extreme anti-China rhetoric from Tucker Carlson, Trump, etc it’s pretty clear what they’re trying to do. Allying with China against the USSR on Kissinger’s recommendation was a large contributor to its overthrow, and it makes sense they want to do that against China now, what with both the US and Russia now being capitalist states.
I’d say that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read this morning…
But I’ve already clicked your username and saw the comment where you claim ISIS is a part of the US government because they’ve attacked China and Russia.
Have a nice life, I sincerely hope it gets better for you.
For those curious about that comment btw
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UN Report: Israel in Regular Contact with Syrian Rebels including ISIS
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In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA
And now attacks on Russia and China.
Some more interesting events
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Israeli defense minister: If I had to choose between Iran and ISIS, I’d choose ISIS
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Members of ISIS and Nusra front also have been treated in Israeli hospitals.
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Former Mossad director, Efraim Halevy, defends Israeli medical assistance to Al Nusra Front fighters
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Ex-defense minister says ISIS ‘apologized’ to Israel for November clash
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Israeli think tank: Don’t destroy ISIS; it’s a “useful tool” against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria
Name any colony that constantly insults their “mother country” and gets any demand they make including billions of dollars in aid every year.
You’ve got the power dynamic backwards dawg…
It’s an investment. The capitalist ruling class of the US get far more in return by keeping the middle-east subjugated to the US through “israel” than the money they spend on the colony.
Did I say it was a colony?
No, someone else did…
I replied to them, and then you just posted a bunch of links in reply to my comment.
You literally didn’t say anything, so how did you expect people to guess what you meant?
I’m sure it was perfectly clear to you what you were doing, but no one else could do anything besides make assumptions
I edited it, but we’re probably done here anyway.
Israel owns both the Republicans and Democrats. They probably have even more influence over the Republicans sure to the evangelicals.
Genocide Joe is still a spineless bitch for not doing more, but Republicans would be worse.
The world’s biggest military power bending backwards to a small country like Israel should be enough proof that the US is run by the Zionist Diaspora. they have captured power in the US from both political parties.
Do you want to vote for genocide or for genocide because either way your are getting genocide.
They stole the money to blackmail, buy voters and politicians.
Don’t bring the “Jews control the world” antisemitic BS around here. Yeah, something’s up with the US government that I don’t totally understand, but you don’t have to latch onto crazy and hateful ideologies. That just makes more problems.
So AIPAC isn’t a thing to you ? or Rich American Zionist donors like the current US ambassador to japan Rahm Emanuel who was funneling money to the Israeli Propagandists Cochav Elkayam Levy who is behind the Hamas ‘Mass Rape’ Narrative Exposed As Fraud. their is no Hate in admitting that Many Zionists occupy key positions of power in many countries and parliaments like US, UK and Canada and are working to advance Israel interest.
The liberal left has become very stupid and naive by labeling everything as hate, because they are unable to face the facts, by refusing to get into merky territory, they are keeping the working class under the illusion of a fair democratic system, while in reality they have those who pull the strings keep the status quo.
The US and Israel are both part of the same imperial project. Israel is the US’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East and its laboratory for surveillance and occupation and the US is Israel’s arms depot and money spigot, it’s a mutual relationship that both countries benefit from.
The US doesn’t control Israel, Israel doesn’t control the US, they’re just partners working towards a mutual goal of settler occupation.
I don’t disagree with any of your recent statements. However, your first comment reads as an antisemetic dogwhistle, a la space lasers and Soros conspiracies, which is likely why you’re getting so many downvotes.
Edit: “statement” changed to “comment”
Have you confused me with someone else?
Oops, yes, sorry! I had assumed the first commenter replied back. Suddenly everything they wrote was reasonable. Turns out it was you! My apologies.
Vote socialism in 2024 or you’re getting the orange
Is Biden the socialism?
Oh man, if socialism were on the ballot I’d happily vote for it. Maybe I’ll write that in when I go vote.
We’re getting the orange anyway because the Democrats would rather preserve their AIPAC funding than win an election.
And besides; the Socialist Party is an FBI front organization, the PSL is content to ignore Russia’s war on Ukraine, and even though the Greens have decent politics they’re still being used as a wedge to split the Democrat vote in favor of Republicans. There’s no way to vote for socialism that isn’t self-defeating.
the PSL is content to ignore Russia’s war on Ukraine,
Mmmh, chauvinist take. I wouldn’t want you in any of my organizations anyway until some self-crit was done.
If anything, the PSL is a front for Russia, given that Russia has featured them on Russian state media. But I don’t see them as being a threat to the Democrats. A quick look at their Wikipedia page shows that the most percentage votes they ever got in an election was 40%, and that was just 57 votes in a college town.
It’s a pity the US doesn’t have a parliamentary system. It would make so much more sense to have something like Greens, Socialists, and Democrats forming a coalition.
What information do you have that the PSL is a front?
LOL
All I could find is a sussy substack and Reddit posts. It could be true.
The PSL are state socialists, their entire reason for existing is to be a front for state-aligned interests.
That’s what I’m seeing too. They have to say that, or be labeled as domestic terrorists. Any openly revolutionary party is a threat.
Indeed. Parties which actually pose a threat to the current establishment aren’t permitted to organize.
Playing “Spot the Fed” was a popular passtime at Occupy.
Lots of Russian trolls in here trying to get Trump elected. Hey guys, how’s the pay at the Internet Research Agency?
Checking in from the Moscow Central Shitpost Infiltration Unit, where all 12 of us are working overtime to post on lemmy.ml and swing the election in favor of Orange Man.
you fucking moron
Typical liberal. “I won’t face the horrors being perpetuated by the guy I’m trying to force you to vote for! You’re the bad person! 😡”
You’re honestly making the accelerationist vote look appetizing. And you should be terrified of that.
Not a liberal and I don’t live in the US. You probably don’t either.
I do. And I realize it is the true terrorist.
What is a terrorist?
A person using fear and violence to get you to believe what they believe in.
Tell me where the citizens of the many coups America had committed, asked for America to commit said coups?
If people took half of the energy they spend shaming people for not adhering to the two-party system and turned it to pressuring Biden to be a better candidate he’d have switched positions by now
biden has been a zionist for probably longer than you’ve been alive
you’re not going to push him left. ever.
Fucking genocide loving liberal
But how do you pressure him into being a better candidate when the only threat you have against him, i.e. voting him out, is held hostage by the fact that if you do vote him out an even more extreme radical will get in power?
Almost like we need ranked choice voting and eliminate the electoral college so we can have more than 2 choices.
Democrats consistently support & pass RCV, while Republicans repeal & ban it. If you want RCV, you need to support Dems in the meantime.
On March 28, a District of Columbia Superior Court dismissed a lawsuit filed by the Democratic Party to stop an initiative from qualifying. The initiative hasn’t even gathered the signatures yet, yet the Democratic Party had been hoping to block it. The judge said the lawsuit isn’t ripe, and could be filed again if the initiative qualifies and passes. The initiative also would change the law to let independent voters vote in partisan primaries, but it is not an initiative that abolishes the ability of parties to have nominees.
It wasn’t just Republicans who opposed the system. Democrats were in power in some cases and also opposed it. That’s why we got ranked-choice, it was done through a ballot initiative because neither party wanted to implement it or to pass a law that would implement it.
I doubt it. Biden doesn’t give a hoot about what his voting base thinks or wants because they’re going to mindlessly vote for him no matter how many genocides he does
Disagree, if the centrists, liberals, and Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd worked him over half as hard at they work over us there’d be no reason not to give in.
Except for the main reason of “all of Biden’s donors would leave him.” Neoliberal democracy has nothing to do with voters, it has everything to do with fundraisers. If Biden loses his fundraisers to someone else, the voters will follow, because that money will buy the propaganda to move them. This is how neoliberal democracy works. To think otherwise is idealist; it has never worked that way and it never will work that way under the current system.
A chunk of the funders hedge their bets though, right?
And what organization that has spent potentially MILLIONS of dollars at this point is just going to walk away from their investment instead of allowing their pet capital critter a bit of slack on the leash to give some crumbs to the unwashed masses to quiet us down?
The world power needs to understand that it has crossed the line
So showing any backbone is crossing the line? Wow.
I think for a world power such language should have been a reason to double down on punishing those little punks.
Settler colonialism is one of the most vile, disgusting crimes against humanity, and it is our duty to move in favor of liberation for all peoples.
Soy
Israel runs on American dollars, without American dollars Israel cannot exist.
Shekel barely counts as a seperate currency.
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
He’s got a “complicit in genocide” reputation to upkeep after all.
More like co-author
Ah the USA capitulating to terrorists and war criminals all in the name of money.
Tell you what - I’m surprised how many people think Trump of all people is going to somehow handle to both Ukraine and Israel better than Biden…
For one, Trump is so overtly a Russian asset it isn’t even funny. No enemy of Russia would speak of them the way Trump has both during and after his presidency. Combined with negative comments he has made about Ukraine and the war, he absolutely will cut any and all US assistance to Ukraine - his best effort to hand Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter.
And you’d be mistaken if you think the Palestinians would fare much better considering in the few public statements he’s made about Gaza show him openly supporting both the actions of Israel and Netanyahu, calling on them to finish it quicker.
If your reaction to Biden’s weak descalation of Gaza is to allow someone who’s public intentions are even worse to take office, then all I can say is I hope that high-horse was worth it.
Blue MAGA is so ridiculous. Who was the first president to ever approve arm sales to Ukraine? That’s right, Trump. The Obama/Biden administration said it was too provocative to sell arms to Ukraine and would escalate tensions with Russia. And then Trump took office and broke the taboo because he didn’t care if Russia found it threatening. Good luck fitting that into your “Trump is so clearly Russian asset” box.
You’re worried about Trump cutting aid to Ukraine? Guess what, it’s already been getting cut. That’s the direction this is headed. Because the president doesn’t decide these things unilaterally - it comes from the DOD. You think the DOD is just gonna watch presidents do whatever they want around the world and just “oh well guess we die now”? No. You think Biden personally developed the strategy for how Israel advances US interests in the region? No. These things operate on the scale of decades, not 4 years at time. The presidents just choose between the options the JCOS provide them.
And as for the genocide of Palestinians, it’s going to happen no matter what, this has been demonstrated clearly. Choosing presidents will not change the outcome. We need to end the existing power structure, not participate in it.
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Tell you what, it’ll take a lot more than a pithy remark to convince me that I’m wrong about Trump being compromised by the Russians
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Spoiler: they think the horsey is worth it
oh look BlueMAGA has something to say
Oh look, a completely fallacious and divisive comment
Damn, you must’ve dug deep for that scathing nickname - but do you seriously think I’m wrong?
It doesn’t matter what could have happened, who could have done what, the situation is that your choices are Biden or Trump, and one of those is a whole lot worse than the other, despite what some other people commenting on this post think.
Trump has literally done nothing as remotely as evil as Biden’s relentless support of Israel’s genocide. Would it be worse under Trump? Potentially, but Trump isn’t president right now
The word you’re looking for there is “yet”, and that “yet” would be doing a whole lot of heavy lifting.
I’ll defer back to my initial comment - if you want to let Trump in and find out, you’d better be ready to shut it when he does worse.
You cannot beat anyone over the head with a moral cudgel when you are supporting genocide. Period. Frankly, supporting Biden – perhaps the most ardent Zionist in American politics – is so morally despicable that it makes me feel physically ill. If you the status quo is acceptable to you, then by all means continue giving it your approval.
Don’t you fucking dare, however, suggest that people refusing to hand their vote to that evil cretin are somehow the ones OK with what’s going on in Palestine.
Oh, I’ll sure as shit beat you over the head with it until it goes in - neither major candidate up for election is going to stop the genocide anytime soon, and since for most intents and purposes we exist in a two-party system,the only thing your protest vote is going to do is hand Trump the keys to the castle.
If you want to let that happen and stick with your “he hasn’t done worse” shtick, then by all means do so, but you’re only fooling yourself. Everything he has said publicly, and what he did during his last presidency (see reply by @wildncrazyguy), indicates he will do worse given the opportunity…
As I said before, if you really do sit there and refuse to vote, and if it does come to pass that Trump gets in and does what he says/indicates he wants to do, I hope you realise that you willingly participated in letting that happen.
Guess who’s taking about Trump here? NOBODY.
You have absolutely no idea how weak this line of argument makes Biden look. Oh you’d be better than literally the worst person to have ever been president? Wow omg I can’t wait to vote for you. Talk about a low fucking bar.
What your other choice, there, genius.
Is this post about the election? Or the fucking CURRENT PRESIDENT’S decisions?
Edit: the other choice, which should worry everybody, is not voting. Doesn’t matter if it’s illogical, lots of voters are illogical
Isn’t there a possibility to vote for a third / minor party?
If yes, this would be the best choice instead of not voting.
Yeah of course that is possible. With the US system though it seems like there is literally no point. If you don’t want trump you should vote for Biden, that is the only choice.
But the fact that this is brought up every time Biden does something shit or supports a genocide or whatever is what I take issue with. The election has made people too wary to criticise him and they are apparently blind to how stupid this looks. Like they learned nothing whatsoever from 2016.
Anyway I’m not American anyway so don’t worry about it. The situation is the same in the UK except Labour is comfortably going to win anyway despite having a dog shit candidate. Biden I’m not so sure, and that worries me.
The third (minor) parties are just spoiler candidates put in place or at least supported by the two major parties.
That’s odd, because if you bothered to look any further down you actually would see comments talking about Trump, and there were more before.
But that aside, you’ll find that’s because I’m not advocating for Biden - any more progressive candidate would’ve been better, but that’s not what we got. What I AM advocating is against Trump - I hardly think I need to explain why.
Since it’s basically impossible for an independent to win, if you don’t want Trump, your only option is Biden. That’s it, whether we like it or not.
Since it’s basically impossible for an independent to win, if you don’t want Trump, your only option is Biden. That’s it, whether we like it or not.
I agree.
But this post is about a thing Biden has done. Surely you can see how so many people jumping right to this “lesser of two evils” argument in response to something like this might look like an attempt to shield him from criticism?
Honestly what could Biden actually do that would change the choice on election day? Unless he transforms into literally Hitler it is kind of a given that any reasonable person needs to vote for him, surely?
As I said before, I was focusing on all the replies that were around when I first commented that were commenting on/advocating for Trump - that is why I said “I’m surprised how many people think Trump of all people is going to somehow handle to both Ukraine and Israel better than Biden”, because that is the sentiment I saw.
I can see how that would look like an attempt to shield him from criticism, but at the same time I don’t think I’m wrong in saying it doesn’t really matter - unless you want Trump in the Whitehouse again, Biden is the only choice…
I’m not saying I like the fact that the only two candidates we have are basically “allow the genocide to continue for the foreseeable future” or “escalate the genocide, and let Russias do what they want to Ukraine”, but that is what we’re stuck with.
Because Israel is will blackmail the USA and expand their genocide even more.
The American folding comes in the wake of Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich’s threat to collapse the Palestinian economy, as revealed in Israel Hayom
And now these fascists will use that as a threat to extort the USA at every step. They must be completely cut off from US aid.
And now these fascists will use that as a threat to extort the USA at every step. They must be completely cut off from US aid.
Absolutely spot on! #NoWarButClassWar ✊️
BDS is the only way
One time they got more aid by threatening to nuke their allies. Luckily, Kissinger is finally dead.
There’s useless and then there’s you people.
