Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
Yes! There are definitely NO private interest groups in the US! Everything is 100% voters choice. I’d also like to add the US system is not in anyway pay to play. The only reason truly grass root candidates don’t get elected to major positions is that the American people prefer and trust corporate backed politicians, as they are the ones that will lead us to a more productive feature!
5 states Democratic parties (10 percent of the country) preemptively removed everyone but Biden off of the ballot of the primary, against the parties own rules.
It isn’t a conspiracy theory, It’s a statement of fact.
Sure, yet in the New Hampshire primary, Biden wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT and he won through popular support and a write-in campaign. If he is so unpopular, how did he pull that one off?
Good job moving the goal posts. Or, did you think we wouldn’t notice?
I didn’t say he’s unpopular, though he is. In fact, he’s the most unpopular president at this point in his presidency in US history, since polling has been a thing. The reason Democratic voters “Like” him is because he isn’t Trump. They don’t actually like him for himself.
Trump, on the other hand, the people that want to vote for him REALLY want to vote for him.
Frankly, I think Biden is the only person the Democratic party could field that would lose to Trump. Conversely, I think anyone on the Republican side but Trump would beat Biden.
But, all of this is besides the point. You weren’t arguing that Biden was popular. You were arguing, and I quote:
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
And it is kind of hard to run if you aren’t even on the fucking ballot. You also implied that people who recognize the public fact that 5 states have removed everyone but Biden from the primary ballot are conspiracy theorists when in fact, they’re just not ignorant of current events like you seem to be.
I’m not entirely sure how to respond to this, seeing as your quote is of a comment made by Candelestine, so I’m not 100% sure this was intended as a response to me in the first place. Nevertheless, I do have some thoughts to share.
Main thought - I agree with you. We’re clearly on the same side, arguing about nuance. Biden is super unpopular. I’m not entirely sure he’s unpopular for the right reasons, but that doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t poll well.
I also agree that the main reason he’s even in the race is because he’s the only one who has ever beaten Trump. I, like many others, am terrified of a future where Trump wins and ushers in a fascist dictatorship. Thus, the party wants to back a proven winner. We’re going for the least bad option here in a choice between ol Joe and a Christo-fascist state.
If there was another Democrat out there with similar name recognition who had raised their hand, we might be having a different conversation, but conventional wisdom dictates that something really catastrophic would have needed to happen under Biden to change the math on the incumbent advantage. On reflection, while Biden still isn’t my favorite, his administration has done a lot of things right. I’ve lived through both options and there’s no contest, for me, between 4 more years of Joe or 4 more years of Trump.
Regarding winning a primary without being on the ballot or campaigning - the results in NH speak for themselves. If there was an alternative who stood a chance there wouldn’t be any discussion about being on the ballot in any state. Since we already know the Dems are going all-in on Joe, the goal now is to keep the message as clear as possible and minimize muddying the waters with spoiler candidates. It wouldn’t be an issue if every state used ranked choice voting, but we need every vote and first past the post makes spoilers extremely costly.
Bernie isn’t running. Williamson, Phillips, and Uygur were the main primary challengers. DNC refused to so much as acknowledge them, knowing they are all preferable choices to Biden for voters, but also that none would be as subservient to corporate interests as Biden.
In several documented cases, the national committee called state boards and asked them to cancel primaries altogether, regardless of whether the challengers had already met requirements to appear on ballots. Some of them did cancel primaries, like FL.
The DNC show themselves to be true hypocrites by claiming that “democracy is on the line” this election. This blatant slap in the face of voters is how the DNC is handing the election to Trump, but they will claim after losing that progressives simply didn’t vote hard enough.
Bernie isn’t running because he’s consistently gotten shafted of Democrat support from the party establishment. In the 2016 primaries, the vast majority of superdelegates were in support of Clinton which impacted polling, support, morale, and voter turnout. A “democracy” where some votes are worth more than others isn’t a democracy, it’s a sham.
Only Philips was able to get even a tiny bit of support. He’s as centrist as Biden. This whole corporate conspiracy you guys love is nonsense. There’s a shitload of corporate money in politics, make no mistake, but this is a far cry from the resistance that Bernie ran into. Bernie had actual support.
How do these guys poll? Have you even listened to Dean, the one doing the best? He’s not espousing any leftist ideas you know, he’s a reach-out-to-the-repubs style dem.
The Florida Democratic Party’s executive committee voted to cancel their primary at the end of October 2023 and declare Biden the winner
The Tennessee Democratic Party decided to list only Biden as a ballot option for its primary after a November 11 meeting
The North Carolina Democratic Party acknowledged receiving requests for ballot access from Phillips and other candidates, but chose to only include Biden for its primary
The Democratic Party of Wisconsin left Phillips off the ballot; he appealed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court on January 26, 2024. The court unanimously ruled on February 2 that Phillips should be included on the ballot.
Dean Phillips? I’m fairly engaged in mainstream political discussions and the only reason I’ve heard his name is to point out that he’s one of a small number of potential spoiler candidates.
Even the article you linked is full of quotes bashing his campaign.
The guy taking campaign donations from Harlan Crow ought to be enough to tell you everything you need to know. This guy isn’t here trying to win, he’s just trying to muddy the waters.
I know Biden is a really tough pill to swallow. It’s true, I feel it too, but unless he drops dead tomorrow, he’s the guy that has already beaten Trump, so smart money is going to the proven winner. The sooner we all accept that and start focusing on the down-ballot races, the better. Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
I hate how true this is. Honestly we need to have a better strategy for the legislature than we do now. Assuming that it will go the same way as the president or ignoring it because it isn’t one of the “big” elections is why every dem in the last 20 years has gotten roadblocked in moving forward any real progressive policy.
Phillips received 19.7% of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, despite Joe Biden not being on the ballot. Phillips received less than 2% of the vote in the South Carolina primary.
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
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Logic isn’t welcome here on Lemmy, up votes are only for those who refuse to acknowledge reality. 🤷♂️
Yes! There are definitely NO private interest groups in the US! Everything is 100% voters choice. I’d also like to add the US system is not in anyway pay to play. The only reason truly grass root candidates don’t get elected to major positions is that the American people prefer and trust corporate backed politicians, as they are the ones that will lead us to a more productive feature!
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5 states Democratic parties (10 percent of the country) preemptively removed everyone but Biden off of the ballot of the primary, against the parties own rules.
It isn’t a conspiracy theory, It’s a statement of fact.
Sure, yet in the New Hampshire primary, Biden wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT and he won through popular support and a write-in campaign. If he is so unpopular, how did he pull that one off?
Good job moving the goal posts. Or, did you think we wouldn’t notice?
I didn’t say he’s unpopular, though he is. In fact, he’s the most unpopular president at this point in his presidency in US history, since polling has been a thing. The reason Democratic voters “Like” him is because he isn’t Trump. They don’t actually like him for himself.
Trump, on the other hand, the people that want to vote for him REALLY want to vote for him.
Frankly, I think Biden is the only person the Democratic party could field that would lose to Trump. Conversely, I think anyone on the Republican side but Trump would beat Biden.
But, all of this is besides the point. You weren’t arguing that Biden was popular. You were arguing, and I quote:
And it is kind of hard to run if you aren’t even on the fucking ballot. You also implied that people who recognize the public fact that 5 states have removed everyone but Biden from the primary ballot are conspiracy theorists when in fact, they’re just not ignorant of current events like you seem to be.
I’m not entirely sure how to respond to this, seeing as your quote is of a comment made by Candelestine, so I’m not 100% sure this was intended as a response to me in the first place. Nevertheless, I do have some thoughts to share.
Main thought - I agree with you. We’re clearly on the same side, arguing about nuance. Biden is super unpopular. I’m not entirely sure he’s unpopular for the right reasons, but that doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t poll well.
I also agree that the main reason he’s even in the race is because he’s the only one who has ever beaten Trump. I, like many others, am terrified of a future where Trump wins and ushers in a fascist dictatorship. Thus, the party wants to back a proven winner. We’re going for the least bad option here in a choice between ol Joe and a Christo-fascist state.
If there was another Democrat out there with similar name recognition who had raised their hand, we might be having a different conversation, but conventional wisdom dictates that something really catastrophic would have needed to happen under Biden to change the math on the incumbent advantage. On reflection, while Biden still isn’t my favorite, his administration has done a lot of things right. I’ve lived through both options and there’s no contest, for me, between 4 more years of Joe or 4 more years of Trump.
Regarding winning a primary without being on the ballot or campaigning - the results in NH speak for themselves. If there was an alternative who stood a chance there wouldn’t be any discussion about being on the ballot in any state. Since we already know the Dems are going all-in on Joe, the goal now is to keep the message as clear as possible and minimize muddying the waters with spoiler candidates. It wouldn’t be an issue if every state used ranked choice voting, but we need every vote and first past the post makes spoilers extremely costly.
Against “the parties own rules” how? Each state runs their shit differently.
Bernie isn’t running. Williamson, Phillips, and Uygur were the main primary challengers. DNC refused to so much as acknowledge them, knowing they are all preferable choices to Biden for voters, but also that none would be as subservient to corporate interests as Biden.
In several documented cases, the national committee called state boards and asked them to cancel primaries altogether, regardless of whether the challengers had already met requirements to appear on ballots. Some of them did cancel primaries, like FL.
The DNC show themselves to be true hypocrites by claiming that “democracy is on the line” this election. This blatant slap in the face of voters is how the DNC is handing the election to Trump, but they will claim after losing that progressives simply didn’t vote hard enough.
Bernie isn’t running because he’s consistently gotten shafted of Democrat support from the party establishment. In the 2016 primaries, the vast majority of superdelegates were in support of Clinton which impacted polling, support, morale, and voter turnout. A “democracy” where some votes are worth more than others isn’t a democracy, it’s a sham.
All of that is true except for the reason why Bernie isn’t running.
He absolutely does not want to give more animosity towards Biden for Trump to take advantage of. Because that happened in 2016 and it was disastrous.
Only Philips was able to get even a tiny bit of support. He’s as centrist as Biden. This whole corporate conspiracy you guys love is nonsense. There’s a shitload of corporate money in politics, make no mistake, but this is a far cry from the resistance that Bernie ran into. Bernie had actual support.
How do these guys poll? Have you even listened to Dean, the one doing the best? He’s not espousing any leftist ideas you know, he’s a reach-out-to-the-repubs style dem.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Dean Phillips? I’m fairly engaged in mainstream political discussions and the only reason I’ve heard his name is to point out that he’s one of a small number of potential spoiler candidates.
Even the article you linked is full of quotes bashing his campaign.
The guy taking campaign donations from Harlan Crow ought to be enough to tell you everything you need to know. This guy isn’t here trying to win, he’s just trying to muddy the waters.
I know Biden is a really tough pill to swallow. It’s true, I feel it too, but unless he drops dead tomorrow, he’s the guy that has already beaten Trump, so smart money is going to the proven winner. The sooner we all accept that and start focusing on the down-ballot races, the better. Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
I hate how true this is. Honestly we need to have a better strategy for the legislature than we do now. Assuming that it will go the same way as the president or ignoring it because it isn’t one of the “big” elections is why every dem in the last 20 years has gotten roadblocked in moving forward any real progressive policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Each state sets its own primary rules, so they’re all over the place. If the guy can’t get enough support, he can still be a write-in.
Sorry, but that’s not preventing someone from running.