I find it annoying that the community pretends otherwise.
Someone goes on a forum with their laptop with an nvidia card and a wifi card no one’s ever heard of, and more likely than not he’ll be told it’ll be easy to get linux running on it.
Hell, I was wrong. It’s not just that a lot of linux users don’t know much about windows, they also don’t seem to know about the issues people can face with linux on some less or non-compatible hardware.
You can be a linux fan and admit that companies like Nvidia, Realtek or HP often don’t give much of a shit about linux, but some pretend otherwise.
I don’t understand the Nvidia comment: NVidia produces Linux drivers for their cards, or at least used to. Did they stop? From a quick look at their website, I see something released in January for certain cards. And my experience has been that even the standard drivers work fine to at least get started.
So they are producing drivers for their cards, and I still don’t understand your comment. They’re not fully open source, which is a valid concern, but you said they “often don’t give much of a shit about linux”…they’re literally producing drivers for their cards for Linux, just like they do for Windows. I’m not sure what else you want them to do.
I went here and was able to find 64 bit Linux drivers for GTX 1080 Ti that were released as far back as January 24th of this year. I didn’t search other models but it’s clear that at least that 10-series card is being supported.
The way I understood the article, only some drivers were being open-sourced (and then only partially).
Idk, I had issues on Wayland with Nvidia and switching back to xorg works fine. About the only thing wrong was a lot of screen tearing in games after a driver update.
The live environment is for testing your hardware and trying things out. You’d be surprised how many things do work and you don’t need to nuke your system to find out. If it doesn’t work you just reboot and everything is back to normal.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work, some sort of Unix black magic if you ask me.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work
Almost.
And this is the problem. The linux community is basically an example of survivorship bias. People who had no significant issues or were able to solve them are understandably fans. People who ran into a weird issue that they couldn’t solve, are far more likely to give up or not be a member of the community anymore.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
And then when someone does run into an issue, members of the community will often call them stupid. “They’ve run into an issue they can’t solve. Linux is easy! That must mean they’re stupid. I’ve never run into an issue I couldn’t solve, linux is easy, that must mean I’m smart.”
Vanity, it’s the Devil’s favourite sin.
It’s a similar attitude you’ll see in rich people, who overestimate how much talent was involved in their success, and underestimate how much luck was involved. “Why are they poor? They must be stupid. I’ve never had money issues, making money is easy if you’re smart like me.”
Here’s the thing. I am genuinely a fan of the philosophy of GNU. Which is why I want everyone to be welcomed into the community, helped when they do run into issues, rather than to have them face snarky comments from linux users who think they know more than they actually do.
If this is the way you act when you ask for help I can’t blame them for not helping. There’s a lot of assumptions happening here and I really don’t appreciate it. I was being really light hearted about the situation, sharing my experience with Linux, and trying to start a constructive conversation. Sorry if the Windows thing rubbed you the wrong way I thought it was kinda funny and a little cheeky. Seriously didn’t think anyone cared about windows.
I really do feel for you if you ran into a few assholes on the Internet but that’s kinda just the Internet. There are plenty of good people willing to help out so instead of spreading the hate look for better more constructive conversations to have elsewhere.
I’m here to tell you now I don’t give a damn who uses Linux or why and I’m especially not interested in selling a fantasy or even bringing up the fact that I use Linux. Windows just got really annoying and Linux does what I need.
It really gets to me when someone gets on their soapbox and slaps labels on people without ever knowing them.
Also fuck hp and the drm cartridge thing. If you get the chance go gangsta on that thing like in office space. My sister got locked out of one of those printers after cancelling her ink refill subscription.
everyone knows, it’s just disregarded most of the time because it’s not a supported use case
It’ll be a sad day when the other foot drops. I like Linux but I understand it’s not for everyone.
I find it annoying that the community pretends otherwise.
Someone goes on a forum with their laptop with an nvidia card and a wifi card no one’s ever heard of, and more likely than not he’ll be told it’ll be easy to get linux running on it.
Hell, I was wrong. It’s not just that a lot of linux users don’t know much about windows, they also don’t seem to know about the issues people can face with linux on some less or non-compatible hardware.
You can be a linux fan and admit that companies like Nvidia, Realtek or HP often don’t give much of a shit about linux, but some pretend otherwise.
I don’t understand the Nvidia comment: NVidia produces Linux drivers for their cards, or at least used to. Did they stop? From a quick look at their website, I see something released in January for certain cards. And my experience has been that even the standard drivers work fine to at least get started.
https://www.howtogeek.com/805004/nvidia-releases-open-source-linux-gpu-drivers-with-a-catch
So they are producing drivers for their cards, and I still don’t understand your comment. They’re not fully open source, which is a valid concern, but you said they “often don’t give much of a shit about linux”…they’re literally producing drivers for their cards for Linux, just like they do for Windows. I’m not sure what else you want them to do.
For some of their cards as the article mentions.
Regularly release drivers for more of their graphic cards, including older ones like the GTX 10-series which are still incredibly popular.
I went here and was able to find 64 bit Linux drivers for GTX 1080 Ti that were released as far back as January 24th of this year. I didn’t search other models but it’s clear that at least that 10-series card is being supported.
The way I understood the article, only some drivers were being open-sourced (and then only partially).
Idk, I had issues on Wayland with Nvidia and switching back to xorg works fine. About the only thing wrong was a lot of screen tearing in games after a driver update.
The live environment is for testing your hardware and trying things out. You’d be surprised how many things do work and you don’t need to nuke your system to find out. If it doesn’t work you just reboot and everything is back to normal.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work, some sort of Unix black magic if you ask me.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
Almost.
And this is the problem. The linux community is basically an example of survivorship bias. People who had no significant issues or were able to solve them are understandably fans. People who ran into a weird issue that they couldn’t solve, are far more likely to give up or not be a member of the community anymore.
And then when someone does run into an issue, members of the community will often call them stupid. “They’ve run into an issue they can’t solve. Linux is easy! That must mean they’re stupid. I’ve never run into an issue I couldn’t solve, linux is easy, that must mean I’m smart.”
Vanity, it’s the Devil’s favourite sin.
It’s a similar attitude you’ll see in rich people, who overestimate how much talent was involved in their success, and underestimate how much luck was involved. “Why are they poor? They must be stupid. I’ve never had money issues, making money is easy if you’re smart like me.”
Here’s the thing. I am genuinely a fan of the philosophy of GNU. Which is why I want everyone to be welcomed into the community, helped when they do run into issues, rather than to have them face snarky comments from linux users who think they know more than they actually do.
If this is the way you act when you ask for help I can’t blame them for not helping. There’s a lot of assumptions happening here and I really don’t appreciate it. I was being really light hearted about the situation, sharing my experience with Linux, and trying to start a constructive conversation. Sorry if the Windows thing rubbed you the wrong way I thought it was kinda funny and a little cheeky. Seriously didn’t think anyone cared about windows.
I really do feel for you if you ran into a few assholes on the Internet but that’s kinda just the Internet. There are plenty of good people willing to help out so instead of spreading the hate look for better more constructive conversations to have elsewhere.
I’m here to tell you now I don’t give a damn who uses Linux or why and I’m especially not interested in selling a fantasy or even bringing up the fact that I use Linux. Windows just got really annoying and Linux does what I need.
It really gets to me when someone gets on their soapbox and slaps labels on people without ever knowing them.
Also fuck hp and the drm cartridge thing. If you get the chance go gangsta on that thing like in office space. My sister got locked out of one of those printers after cancelling her ink refill subscription.