[…] A new joint report from the two NGOs has found that 37 active substances currently approved for use in pesticides are PFAS. That equates to 12 per cent of all approved synthetic substances. […]

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    Genetic engineering, hydroponics, and vertical farming.

    Yet we’re still tilling lands for our food, which requires the destruction of ecosystems (even more so for “organic” farming) and fucktons of pesticide to keep weeds, bugs, and animals away.

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      GMO is for single crop mass production combined with extreme herbicides/fungicides. Basically biofuels and cattle feed. Also monoculture is devastating for the environment, both animals and other plants. Not a solution, nice for big chem not for the rest.

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        GMO could be used for better purposes. The issue is that the companies that currently control this market are the same-old agrochemicals companies that also sell pesticides and otherwise stand to profit off unsustainable practices too. If it were nonprofits developing GMOs, with goals that include ecosystem vitality, GMOs might be one part of addressing issues like droughts.

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          This. GMO is a fantastic technology which would get abused by the most evil of companies. That’s why it’s better to not use it at all because it would mean it’d only get used by them for evil purposes.

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        You’re throwing the whole technology under the bus because one or two big names are using it in a way that fits in their existing corporate ecosystem.

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          “Won’t anyone think of the sweet little grandmas genetically modifying plants at home for their beautiful home vegetable gardens? Not only huge powerful evil companies would actually get to do it!”

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            Dumb way to try and shut down an argument. I’m pretty sure you still have a phone, drive a car, have a computer, connect devices to the Internet.

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        The problem with hydroponics and vertical farming is, well, sunlight. How do you get sunlight to a plant that isn’t in direct view of the sun?

        These things may be space efficient, buy they’re resource and energy intensive, as you cannot just use naturally occurring soil, and neither can you use naturally occurring sunlight. Fields are an effective, if space inefficient, way to grow crops.

        GMOs are just a straight positive though, if they’re used correctly (and not like, patented).

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          GMOs are just a straight positive though, if they’re used correctly (and not like, patented).

          Which will never happen. What company will invest billions if it can’t rake in the profits and completely control the markets later? It isn’t profitable enough.

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      You know that “organic” farming does not use pesticides? You also know that fields, where to a certain degree weeds are allowed to grow and which are not handled overly destructive (so organic farming + hedges + smaller patches + fruit circle) are also important ecosystems?

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        You know that “organic” farming requires more land and more water and produces more food waste?

        More land destroys use ecosystems, creates monocultures, which leads to more disease, and soils get tired.

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          If you rotate your crops the soil does not get tired. If you need to water your crops, then you plant the wrong ones.

          Good organic farming thereby is not as monocultural as conventional farming, because you can only use physical methods to fight weed.

          Also if you look at the landuse we have it’s very small compared to older times, at least speaking for Europe. The problem is mostly not that we use the space, but how we use and destroy it with conventional farming. Also most of the landuse is for animal food, which can easily be reduced. If you extensively put the farm animals on grass again the nature can also benefit.

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            Crop rotation is not industry sustainable and still tires out soil. Water is always necessary.

            We have better more modern options. All this nonsense about “organic” farming is only complacency talking, that or straight up believing the wrong things. Sick of dumbasses limiting human progress.

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      If we ate fewer animal products - and this is important, we don’t have to go full vegan, just less - we’d have more than enough land to feed everybody. Even if we got to 15 billion it would suffice.

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        Much of the land we use for animals is not land that can be used for farming. And the animals eat a, lot of the products that would be considered waste otherwise (i.e. Wheat chaff).

        But yes, I agree. However, this is not specific to animals. We live our lives with excess. A supermarket needs to be well stocked at all times with flawless products or everyone will complain. This requires an industry that over produces and throws a lot away. A complete waste of resources.