Are there any social media sites / forums / “reddit-likes” (EXCEPT 4chan and reddit) which dosent have ANY censorship and little to no moderation , please dont say “uhh lemmy” because there are many cases recently where people have banned or their post removed or supressed . Or is the “dark web” the only option left for the people striving for free speech ?
edit - by free speech I mean everything except CP , extreme racism , illegal pornography and anything related to drugs. Also I see a free speech platform as a place where anyone with any view (except the above) can openly share their idea instead of fearing about moderation or one sided politics
edit 2 - ok folks I am going to delete this post after 12 hours , I think either i have wrongly worded my question OR most poeple here are so brainwashed by media and government to think that free speech is a VERY BAD thing and will immediately mean racism , cp and other bad things and that if i ask for free speech i immediately become a person who enjoys those BAD things and that these social media sites with little to no free speech and heavy moderation are doing the right thing (also thanks to the people who genuinely tried to understand my issue and answered me accordingly ) Today i have asked this question , one day a whole nation will do the same
No sane admin would want to run such a site, as it would very quickly be filled with wildly illegal content, for which the admin will be held responsible if they don’t remove it. Feel free to set up your own Lemmy instance with no rules if you like though, see where it gets you.
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(Blocked by practically every instance which should tell you something about them)
Holy fuck just visited
They really hate Jews and black people
Yeah, my friends and I like to venture over there to laugh at their insanity but some of their memes are genuinely horrific.
What do you feel like you’re unable to say?
@Nonameuser678 @saltynuts420 This. Every time someone is whining about “free speech” it’s just that other people don’t tolerate their racist comments or conspiracy theory. In the best case.
People who ask for this either don’t know what they’re asking for or know precisely what they’re asking for.
I find that people who claim to be fans of free speech, and complain about censorship, get offended when you suggest holding an al-qaeda fundraiser at their house.
Free speech for me, but not for thee. Basically.
Luckily most adults realise that they’re not alone in the world, although plenty are still stuck an adolescent stage of development.
Do you even want to know at this point?
calling a terrorist terrorist will get you supressed on twitter or banned on reddit , what dos twitter want me to call that shit a messiah? also if you support the right on twitter you get banned , you support the left on reddit you get banned … some subs ban you for sayin words like “woman” what does i call them then … i am not from the US so dont care about us politics but i write what i see on those platforms
Call me a cynic, but I’ve seen a few dozen of this exact kind of thread… and I’m thinking that if you had an actual point, you’d be more specific.
Do those subs ban you for saying „woman“ or for saying words „like“ woman that are actually slurs?
Sorry but either you are leaving out important parts or you are making shit up.
There’s an explanation as to your ban on the post you linked. Mod makes it pretty clear it’s because of your attitude towards the mod team in discussion of the use of “female” to refer to a woman, not because of your use of the word itself.
As everyone else was saying, you’re leaving out context which makes it hard to be on your side in this. Leaving out important context like this just makes you look bad.
Define free speech ?
People hosting social websites, have laws to follows regarding the content publishing on their pages, and have to remove illegal content like Piracy, Child porn and hate-speech. Most admin and mods would rather be "stricter than the law"than the other way around in order to avoid issue with the police.
if you want to have borderline but legal talk, just open your own blog, and you’ll be the person legally responsible for the content not someone’s else
A lot of people think they want no moderation, but they really don’t know what they’re asking for. Setting aside illegal content, a lack of moderation just leads to deeply unpleasant places to be in. Which means the only people who stick around are the deeply unpleasant people.
And then there’s the fact that every single conversation can simply be drowned out by someone posting unfathomable amounts of Shrek pornography in every thread. And what are you going to do? Censor them? Go on… Give in to the temptation to moderate.
Self host, but no one owes you an audience.
The thing with social media with little to no moderation is that it attracts exactly the type of people who abuse that to high heaven.
So either every platform starts moderating or the trolls take over and users migrate somewhere without trolls.
But if you really want to take part in such a thing I guess create your own lemmy instance or find one where people tolerate your speech ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Speech is free. Consequences are not.
yea dark web has many forums where you are allowed to ask how to sexually abuse children.
Twitter is also a great choice if you are looking for Nazi content.
That’s what they tried to do at Voat. It just became a hell hole of viciousness and hatred as the more moderate people gradually left.
Just go back to Twitter honestly.
It’s a piece of shit platform for shit stain people.
There seems to be a rather widespread misconception of the term “free speech”. Free speech does not mean that you are allowed to say everything.
Say you work for a government or a company and you know something that is classified. Are you allowed to say that because “free speech”? No, of course not.
Say there is a group of people who wants to kill a person, but they don’t know where to find that person. But you know and you tell them. Are you allowed to do that because “free speech”? No, of course not.
Say you’re a doctor and you know something about the condition of one of your patients. Are you allowed to post about their illness on social media? No, of course not.
Free Speech is no magic super-right that stands above all other rights. Free speech has to be limited in favor of other rights of other persons, and it is everywhere. There are difference in how much is tolerated, in the US it is pretty much, in Germany holocaust denial is a criminal offense for example.
And that is another reason why you can’t have unmoderated social media. Some things are simply not allowed, for better.
Put simply, an individual’s right to free speech can never be without limits, because that would mean they would limit the rights of others.
Eg. threatening to kill people who want to voice their opinion, limits their ability to exercise their right to free speech.
Eg. you could use a siren to drown out what other people wish to say, effectively censoring them, then call it censorship when someone criticized you for doing so.
Eg. being able to say whatever you want on someone else’s website, limits their ability to say or not say what they want on their website.
This is why limiting the right to free speech of certain people, on average results in more free speech for everyone.
Guys looking for a website not a giant philosophical post about how it’s okay for you to shut down opinions you don’t like
What part in my “giant philosophical post” (lol) is about shutting down opinions I don’t like?
And that is another reason why you can’t have unmoderated social media. Some things are simply not allowed, for better.
I’ve seen this a million times. Your little “for better” will almost certainly morph into including things you don’t like given time.
You construct a strawman of the worst cases and then whittle away and lower the bar until there is no free speech not only in absolutes, but also in practice where people’s ability to share and discuss honest opinions are also shut down.
A website that prompts free speech will do so in principal, not in absolutes. Seeking to preserve as much back as forth discussion as possible and reluctantly moderating where it’s necessary.
Posts like yours are justifications in opposition of that sort of practical free speech, disguised as reasonable by associating free speech with stuff like leaking confidential information.
Your little “for better” will almost certainly morph into including things you don’t like given time.
So nothing, huh? Who is constructing a straw man here?
It is really simple. You can’t use your rights to violate the rights of other people. That is not your right. There is plenty of room left for discussing all kind of stuff, no matter how controverse or delicate it is. But otherwise some actions performed under “free speech” could even hinder people to use their own right of free speech.
Pretty much 4chan and alternatives. But they’re censored, too.
You want someone who puts in the money to pay for bulletproof hosting, somewhere where there are no rules. And then you’ll watch a few people ruin it for everybody because by design noone steps in.
You’ll attract the wrong people. Whackos and people that have been banned everywhere because they’re trolls or genuinely mental. It’ll be like the degenerate communities where everyone says ‘nigger’ because it’s a forbidden word, then something about jews, then a short gif with gore and a bit of porn. Maybe some covid deniers and a few trump trolls in another corner. Rinse and repeat.
Is that what you have in mind? Because there already is 4chan. You can go there.
And don’t listen to people like Mr Trump. They say they want free speech and do their own platform, but most of the time they’re even more strict with people who don’t agree with them.
But that’s more like it turns out in practice. People want a platform where they can hate on some people without being disturbed by others. So they create their own bubbles. They don’t want free speech, they want a platform where noone opposes their views. Or where that happens but they themselves are in control.
So what’s your use-case? I value free speech myself. But turns out in practice only trolls and loonies benefit if you do it. I’d be genuinely interested to know what you have in mind, what you think you can do there what you can’t do somewhere else.
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What is your definition of “free speech”?
You can host your own instance on the fediverse and not censor/moderate it. Other instances will most likely defederate yours but you can still build your own place.
Anything that doesn’t censor and moderate only works as long as the user base is fairly small. So you won’t find people advertising it to random strangers. Otherwise it starts having to deal with things most people don’t want on their platform like illegal sexual content.
Uhh, Lemmy. If you don’t like how your getting moderated then start your own instance with your free speech rules.
