Satouru

Well that’s our fault for letting information get congregated in a centralized service to be fair. Any information that is stored without redundancy on a single service should be considered already lost.

The Fediverse doesn’t fix this by the way, as far as I know. The data can be accessed from other instances, but as I understand it the data still lives on the instance. The day an instance does, poof, all the information it contains goes away.

But! It makes it easier to make information redundant, by having an instance that automatically archives information for example.

We had a problem, many people knew that we had a problem but we did nothing to fix it. We have the same issue on StackOverflow or even GitHub, by the way (although the latter is a bit mitigated by people having local copies of the repositories for example). It will come bite us in the arse one day.

Doesn’t prevent me from doing it.

I send a mail to you and your shitty mail provider blocks it as spam, even though I setup my SPF and DKIM entries correctly? Well that’s your problem, complain to your provider then lmao.

Of course that cannot be applicable to every use case. Sometimes you need a mail to go through in which case I still use GMail or iCloud Mail, unfortunately.

But it became like that because we let it become like that. We should use email as it was intended to be used, and if it doesn’t work, well fuck it. It’s the recipient’s fault for choosing a shitty or “non-compliant” provider.

Building a resilient, safe, longterm-viable communities is the metric to measure fedi by.

100% agree, especially on the resiliency part.

A community with 100 users but will never die is much better than one with a million users but might kick the bucket anytime.

The way the Fediverse works, and assuming that not everyone goes to the same instance, then it will be pretty much guaranteed to exist as long as there are users. And this is huge in terms of community building.

I feel like most games get it wrong and just make you stay in one place waiting for the enemy dude to slowly make his route as you map it in your head. It’s just boring, I don’t know.

A nice way to change that would be to give a button that gives you a “top view” map of the enemies’s movement maybe, to make it a little bit puzzle-y. Or, if you want to make it more “action-y”, give the player a way to hide or disengage by scrambling to find something in the environment that allows them to do that, when they get detected.

Stealth is just implemented in a terrible way in most modern games I feel like. Makes it not fun.

That’s okay. Take your time, Bethesda, and give us an amazing TES6 whenever it’s ready.

Until then, to be fair, the modding community is still doing amazing things to TES5, so I’m okay to wait.

I don’t think that there’s any conspiracy or ill intent there.

It’s just that the tech bubble is exploding and investors are running out of money - or rather are running out of willing to spend money for these social media platforms.

So they go public or get bought by some ultra rich people.

There’s also the issue that as communities grow to insanely bit proportions, the operating costs also grow exponentially. Server costs of course, but then you also need to start investing in teams of lawyers, support, community managers, dedicated DevOps and developers… all of that while the community loses its sense of being part of a “little village” and get less inclined to financially help foot the bill.

These social media services have pretty much committed suicide - or egocide rather because I don’t believe that they will go anywhere. They’ll stay afloat without issues, but they’ve lost their souls a long time ago. They’re working for money now, and not for their community or users anymore.

And they cannot go back either, because the operating costs don’t just go down by themselves, so they need to act greedy in order to survive. There’s nothing the Reddit or Twitter leadership could do to stop that now. It’s a one-way byproduct of uncontrolled growth.

The right “moral choice” for these leaders would probably be to just let their platform slowly die while alternatives emerge - but that’s a very painful thing to do when you invested 20+ years of your life into it. Dorsey managed to do it for example, which is impressive and quite commendable.

I’ll add that it’s unlikely that the Fediverse will suffer from the same fate, because… there’s no management. There’s an “agreed upon” structure but everyone can do their own thing and that’s what’s beautiful about it. It cannot “lose its soul” because as a contract/protocol, the “soul” of the Fediverse is the only thing that makes it exist. It might splinter, it might evolve into different “universes”, but it will never die.

It’s pretty much a re-creation of how the 2000’s internet worked. Which had its problems, yeah, but which was also a very resilient and independent place.

But here’s the thing: are you going to miss Reddit or the communities that they allowed you to partake in?

Because there’s no reason to miss the former - and you’ll miss the latter either way because a lot of people are going to just stop using Reddit after the changes come into effect anyway, so the community will certainly change.

I think that this move made most of us lose something. Which is certainly sad, but we’ll lose it either way, so might as well get rid of the platform they hurt us, right?

Or a certain four-letter word starting with F followed by a famous Reddit administrator’s handle…

But yeah. My Reddit account is pretty much worthless now, so might as well express my discontent, right?

I agree!

I want Reddit to fail because they overestimate their value and think that their software is why Reddit is popular (even though, let’s face it, the software was absolute garbage during the time where Reddit became popular, and is still is, albeit for different reasons).

I want the Fediverse (and not specifically Lemmy or Beehaw, although I’m in love with both at the moment) to succeed because I think that the idea behind it gives the communities that it hosts total control about what they want to do, regardless on the people that hosts them.

So it’s not really that different, as it all boils down to the same point: the importance of communities is paramount, and the tools that are given for that are important but also mere accessories. Well, it’s actually a bit more complicated than that, but I think that it gets the general idea.

Can I subscribe to kbin from lemmy as well? It’s kind of crazy to think about. 😂

That’s the point of the Fediverse. Think of it like a contract. There’s rules on how data should be formatted, on what you can or cannot do, but what you actually do is up to you.

You can choose to participate through a Lemmy instance, you can use Kbin, some obscure tool connected to the Fediverse or you can even build your own thing that connects to it!

And nobody really “owns” it. It’s all about agreed conventions and community contracts. Anyone can adhere to the contract and build their own thing. The way it works is amazingly beautiful, to be fair.

I’m pretty sure that’s what’s going to happen too.

They’ll kick dissident mods out, install their own, and just reopen the subs like nothing happened. There’s precedent of that happening I believe (although for much more reasonable reasons, like mods going rogue for stupid or anti-free speech stuff).

And it’s going to be an absolute shitshow. I feel sad, but I also kind of love it. You reap what you sow, I guess.

Not much that wouldn’t also kill them, I think.

Reddit has become too massive for its own good, and it lost its sense of community from the early years. There was a few nice subs, but they usually ended up being popular for exactly this reason, and they ended up being connected to the “big centralized Reddit bubble” (if that makes sense), which killed the community in the process.

My best memories of fun or interesting conversations on Reddit were actually not made on particular subreddits, but more on recurrent stickied threads on some subreddits that only a few regulars opened and read. Those had a real sense of community.

So yeah, Reddit lost me as a user these past few days, but not 100% because of the actual changes that they made - I think I was already dissatisfied with it and that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s more like a combination of the massive user base and the way the website works that kind of suffocated communities. They cannot really change that, as they would probably not survive changes that are too big or a drastic reduction in the user base.

The Fediverse could suffer from the same issues if it becomes wildly successful of course, but the fact that it is federated adds another layer of separation between community circles, and I think that’s enough for mitigating that problem a little bit.