Acknowledging full well that I have no say in whether an admin consults their user base before federating or not, I don’t think this federation was done in good faith; and I’d easily put forth the conduct of the instance they federated with as evidence. There’s nothing wrong with trying to grow the lemmiverse but federating with an instance of known trolls is absolutely silly. I acknowledge the fact that Ada may not have known before, but afterwards the trolls came out in force and it doesn’t sit right with me that we’re being asked to give the people who tore up the landscape so recently another chance, with no sort of caveat, given that the only change on their policy was to lay off meta posts specifically. I’m objecting specifically to the way they’ve shat up the instance, so the fact that their only concession is to lay off meta posts is no comfort at all.

Edit: fixed a mobile-ism

I’m going to use my last post here before the vote to say, it was massively irresponsible to federate with these trolls before consulting with the community you administrate. I’m sure they spun you a good sob story but they’ve hurled abuse at your users that you’re apparently happy to let go unanswered. And you say they deserve a second chance. Wait staff gets your order wrong? That deserves a second chance, restaurants are chaotic and shit happens. Person shows up to work late? So much shit happens in the Dat to day, you can’t possibly plan for everything, absolutely give a second chance. A bunch of tankie trolls use your instance as their entertainment? Absolutely fucking not. You get a second chance for a mistake, not active malice. I’d buy into the “Trans solidarity” lie if they didn’t admit in their own instance this was about “dunking on us”. They’re here to recruit and make fun, and they made no bones about it on their own server. Not to put too fine a point on it, you fell for the first nazi at the bar. For the tankies, I know you’re not nazis, you just use the same style arguments and are equally as tolerant of people who dont share your beliefs.

Long story short, I could not give less of a shit what Hexbear does on their own server but they’ve been extremely detrimental to our own communities and that not being considered a factor at all is beyond absurd

As an admin you have a duty to those you administrate and you’ve essentially told them that the abuse they’ve suffered is inconsequential in the face of Trans solidarity The same Trans solidarity Hexbear uses to abuse your users, willfully and maliciously. That’s not good enough for me.

Tankie has a definition and we’ve been using the term in line with that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie#:~:text=Tankie is a pejorative label,Leninism%2C whether contemporary or historical.

Are you trying to argue in bad faith on purpose? StarMage’s post mentioned nothing about being pro-capitalist or anti-communist.

I’d honestly still prefer defederation. If they were malignant on their own instance that’s one thing, but they made this instance feel pretty unwelcome to me, and I’ve seen way too many red flags to be able to be comfortable having them around. Trans solidarity is no reason to put up with abuse. I know I’m not really an active participant here so this is more or less meaningless to most, but I’d rather leave and go through my transition alone than to stay and have to deal with their terminally online behavior. I don’t think it should be our responsibility to rehabilitate them, nor do I think that’s possible given the relative size of our instances.

Edit: I also feel it’s worth pointing out that they’ve been defederated from several other instances for malignant behavior and I’ve seen all of that here.

Edit 2: Just saw we’re staying federated with them, so it looks like this is my stop. To all of the fine people here at blåhaj.zone, thanks so much for being a bunch of cool people, I never really chimed in but you all just living your lives helped me figure out a lot of stuff about myself, and I wish you all nothing but the best! I can’t stay a member of an instance that welcomes tankies though, so happy trails.

I’d second this. I’ve gone through and blocked most of their communities manually but they definitely threw off the vibes. They’re not a fun bunch to be around.