Sadly we know this is not true. Just ask the Palestinians and Russians. Regardless of our opinions, those weapons they sent aren’t moldy and absolutely do work.

This is absolute proof that the US knows China won’t invade. If the US thought there was even a slight chance that the invasion would happen, they would have not sent garbage. Especially since they keep calling Taiwan the unsinkable carrier and how important Taiwan is to protect the first island chain. So the only 2 possibilities are that:

1. It’s not actually important to the first island chain (which we know it is, that’s why China even cares about it at all).

2. US has no concern what so ever of China invading.

So now we know it’s absolutely the US trying to start a conflict with China to invade Taiwan. They want this kind of news to leak out so China would be emboldened to attack.

*Edit: And if anyone says it’s about semiconductors, you don’t understand how semiconductor manufacturing works. Any violent conflict would pretty much result in a total destruction of the semiconductor factory.

If that happens good? Why do we think having countries and borders that creates strife a good thing? If we eliminate all borders and are just humanity I see that as an absolute win.

I’m curious. When you read articles about how great the economy in the US is and it’s just the voters that don’t understand, do you agree? Do you believe the US government no matter how badly they do? If you don’t believe the US government on this, why do you believe what their propaganda says about their enemies?

It’s because they were never that effective before. But with the advent of drones, they have suddenly become a wildly important protection. This is cause the drones can get stuck in those slat gaps. No other weapon before had this kind of weakness. They were all basically just ballistics before drones.

I mean if that’s your definition, then China is not doing cultural genocide. They aren’t separating children from parents and re-educating the children to assimilate. They’re taking the parents, re-educating them and telling them to tell their children to be like them moving forward. That’s what the whole sleeping in the beds thing is about. They’re going family to family to make sure they don’t break up families and make the whole family accept a new way of living.

Also, the destruction of racism was targeting white people. Heck that’s what they’re complaining about. They even had traditions and parties based on racism, least we forget who the KKK is So unless black people were also the target of anti-racism, then it was very much just the white people. Also, it was very much a movement from the government. It’s why it lead to a civil war where the south said they could not abide by the northern government.

*Edit: In fact there’s video after video of families in XInjiang asking the people who fled to come home. NOW, that said, it’s entirely possible and likely they were forced to do this. But what I’m pointing out is, they’re absolutely making sure that the families stay together and change as a unit, not forcing separation like what Canada did.

Except by your own argument it really is. The UK has blocked many sites for many reasons. However, none of those reasons are for crowd control. Your example is ironically proof of the statement. This is the first time a western nation has banned media for the explicit purpose of quelling a protest and suppressing speech. Your example is a government banning a site not to quell a protest or to suppress speech, but instead because of a governmental disagreement between two nations. Now which one you think is valid for suppressing speech is a totally different question, only that they are two separate and completely different reasons.

Unfortunately I can’t find articles talking about bed sharing without it being from western media. It’s obviously not something that’s news worthy to begin with. I only know this because of my friends from the Xinjiang region.

The problem with the concept of cultural genocide is that there’s a culture to genocide. Culture is defined by the situations and effects of the moment. Culture changes, ebbs and flows. The Menorah is as much a part of Jewish culture as the Torah. But the Menorah was created out of what we today would call cultural genocide. You can’t genocide culture that idea is ridiculous, instead the culture will adapt and change with whatever is happening at the moment.

The question then isn’t is there cultural genocide, but what if anything we should protect in a culture. USA used to have a culture of racism, we obviously went out of our way to “culturally genocide” that. Should we have not done that? Should the fact that it was part of our culture mean we should protect oppressing black people? In reality, by our own definitions, some cultures do need to be genocided.

Well a problem with your argument is that assimilation is not only not unethical, but absolutely necessary for a functioning society. Imagine if you will for a second if our culture accepted racism and bigotry. It would be necessary to force assimilation on people to stop racism and bigotry. Oh wait, that’s happening right now. We’re literally forcing a culture of acceptance on a culture of racism and bigotry. Is that unethical? Should we stop? Perhaps we should have colored drinking fountains.

The problem you’re having with China is:

1. The government is the one that’s doing it, instead of naturally letting companies like Disney shove it down people’s throats.

2. The assimilation is over reaching.

The biggest problem is #2. We don’t know what the fuck that means. Should I be allowed to say the N word if there’s no other racism or bigotry? If there’s no racism and bigotry, is the N word even racist? Yet we enforce word usage today, just words that only have meaning because we give them meaning. yet it’s quite over reaching to censor words no? Where’s the line drawn?

It’s a hot take because while you are right, it’s something that all countries do. It’s just not necessarily the government that does it. Just look at the culture wars in the US. China’s biggest difference is it’s controlled by the government. But it also has nothing to do with Xinjiang. They do it to everyone, Hans Chinese inclusive. Technically that’s what the great leap forward was. First forcing the Hans Chinese people to assimilate to the government’s idea of a unified country. It worked, so they’re pushing it everywhere.

Also, it’s important to note that the only violent enforcement of this was on the Hans Chinese. This was Tian an men. After that they’ve gotten really good at subversion. There was only one suspicious killing in the HK riots for example. For as large a protest as it was, it was largely nonviolent. Compare that with BLM in the States.

The truth is it’s all propaganda from both sides and no one actually knows what’s going on. And because I’m saying this anywhere I’m probably going to be downvoted to oblivion as either side will downvote me. However, what we do know is:

• China has admitted there are training camps in the Xinjiang Area.
• The training camps are mandatory and people have been forced to go there.
• The graduates have been spread all over China gaining employment in pretty much every factory in China (This imho is because it makes things impossible to sanction)
• The people are compensated for their time in the training camps (This is what makes them forced labor camps in theory)
• It is a cultural thing where guests in Xinjiang are invited to sleep in the same bed. This has lead to many stories of Chinese people forcing themselves into the bedrooms of Xinjiang people.

What we are sure isn’t quite right:

• They are not genociding the people in the camps. This is why the conversation has turned to “cultural genocide” whatever that means. I believe this is propaganda to reinforce that they could be genocide when there is no evidence.
• There is a lot of fake evidence for the genocide. For example the prison camp image or the truck that is censored but has red liquid leaking out of it were all doctored. Just this alone has to make you question the truth of those claiming genocide.
• The “leaked list” of prisoners is fake. It contains HK movie stars and actors.

What we could probably conclude:

• I’d argue that there is forced labor occurring as they are literally being forced into training camps and getting paid for it.
• There is no forced labor in the factories USA is claiming there is. After graduating, the students are welcome to move and work where they want, so this can’t be forced labor.

Final questions:

• What happens to those who won’t participate in the forced training camps? We don’t know, and that’s ultimately where the disconnect and miscommunication is coming from. The west is claiming they’re being killed. China isn’t saying anything but then are at a minimum keeping them locked up indefinitely. So, in the end, it’s a bad situation for sure but it’s likely not as bad as the western propaganda makes it look.

Oh my god, machine learning is not AI. It’s a subset of AI. Do you not understand intelligence? It’s not just the learning aspect. Yes, you need to learn to be intelligent, but you also need to generate. I’m giving you a hint to the other subset of AI that you don’t seem to know about.

This is the poorest understanding of AI I have ever read. The whole point of AI is that it can create things that it’s original creator would not have. The whole fear of AI is even though it’s created by humans we question if we can control it. And that fear is what leads people to talk about how it’s mysteriously deciding to do things that could be unethical.

So, learn how AI works before opening your mouth.

*Edit. Also, this fear of AI magically doing unethical things is the one thing China and USA agrees on.

Copying software copies, therefore evil. Did I dumb it down for you?

Which is exactly what you’d expect if they ran AI to ask questions? Topics and controversies are going to pop up a lot. A bot would obviously re-ask about it as they see many people talking about it. It would be more surprising if it didn’t ask about issues that were stirring controversies.

The thing is, China is almost certainly doing this. It’s just not nefarious. China does this to it’s citizens all the time. It’s trying to understand what they want and what they need to focus on. It’s what China means when they say they are a democracy. They’re listening to the population and trying to make changes based on the responses they get.

Of course we can reword this to make it nefarious. This is what they’re talking about when they talk about the “social credit” score. Since posts will be reviewed by the CPC, it’s easy to then extrapolate and say they’re doing it to crackdown on dissidents. Or in this case, manipulate the voting.

But of course they’re manipulating the voting. They don’t believe what our politicians say anymore and are trying to directly converse with the people. They’re hoping their tactics in China will work in convincing the population to stop being so negative about China and asking questions to know how to represent China better to the western population.

It reads like an AI fantasy because they’re leaving out the important parts of why China is doing this to begin with.

If you’re against China doing this, ask yourself this. How can you improve things if you don’t ask questions to begin with?

And this is why USA is falling apart, no one is willing to question the narrative.

OK but again to be clear, you’re opposed to the bill?

Actually, no. While China absolutely spies on other nations as well as infiltrates social media, they don’t try to cause rebellions. I’m saying this BECAUSE of what western media has uncovered about China’s influence campaigns in the US. We’ve uncovered Russia doing exactly this in our elections, but every single one of the articles about China’s influence campaigns have all pointed to China simply advertising visiting China and promoting Chinese products.

There’s a good reason for this and it underlines the differences between US and China’s views of the world. China, unlike pretty much every other country doesn’t care what your country does or who rules it. They have no moral lines to cross or care about conflicts in other nations. AS LONG AS CHINA CAN CONSUME ALL YOUR RESOURCES, China’s totally happy for you to be whatever the fuck you want to be. Thus, China doesn’t try to manipulate votes in other nations. Arguably this is also why USA is terrified of China. In a Chinese ruled world, there could be chaos essentially everywhere except China. No world police, no effective sanctions, just business with China.

So, it’s not that China wouldn’t or couldn’t do something like this, it’s just not in their current interests. That could change, that probably will change, but at the moment that’s how China is acting. Also, I’m not trying to say USA or China is good or bad, both have their good and bad sides and effects. What I am saying is China’s version of world governance is so vastly different from the US that this is where the conflict really lies.

Just to be clear then, you’re opposed to this bill passing?

Well the question isn’t about taking China seriously, but admitting that China was right in the first place. US’s argument is that China can spread disinformation on Tik Tok, which is exactly what China was saying about Facebook etc… So, China, which doesn’t have freedom of speech banned those sites for promoting foreign interests. US is now trying to do exactly the same to Tik Tok.

IF you accept USA’s argument here, then you implicitly accept China’s argument since they’re the same argument. So, again, it doesn’t matter what China says, what matters is what you just said:

It’s kind of hard to take their criticism seriously when western sites and apps like the BBC or Instagram are blocked in China.

So there by admitting, China was right, countries SHOULD block foreign influence.