• gowan@reddthat.com
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    The three things listed are what every single nation state does. There is zero debate on this and it would be nonsensical to suggest otherwise.

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      It doesn’t matter what you think. Governments are expected and set up to do much more than that around the world and that’s because that’s what their intents are. It’s not just those three things. If what you said was true, we’d have had no meaningful progress on anything.

      You can deny it all you want, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt

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        Im not telling you what I think. Im telling you what is easily demonstrable.

        Fir example you said you need a space program does that mean MOST countries do not have a government? Most countries do not have a space program because they are too expensive and provide little benefit for a country like Libya.

        You mention education yet government provided education started in the late 1800s to 20th century for most nations. Was England never a nation state? That would be a moronic claim considering their monarchy is the longest one still running.

        This is a case where you simply have no clue what you are talking about and it shows

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        I think you’re misunderstanding the person you’re talking to. They are just saying that anything that can’t do those 3 things is not a government.

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          There are a lot of things that collapse a government if not done that’s not one of those three things, though. Like educating its people. Especially that one for a democratic government, in actual fact.

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            I think you’re still confusing what you like in a government (e.g democracy) with what something has to do in order to qualify as a government.

            Take a look at this report on education. If we look at a country like Mali the average child there has just two years of schooling and attendence even at primary/elementary school is very low.

            It may not have a government that we like, but it still has a government.

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              No, you are not understanding that

              hat something has to do in order to qualify as a government.

              is subjective, and differs from culture to culture and person to person.

              And until you accept that fact, no debate is possible. Goodbye

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            Those three things define any government. Those are the absolute minimum. If you cannot determine your border you have no sovereignty. If you cannot enforce laws then your laws have no authority and you have no sovereignty. If you cannot maintain some dorm of economy you cannot control your government and will cede sovereignty.