How Canada poached 10,000 tech workers from the U.S. — in just 48 hours::Canadian tech employers want the immigration ministry to extend the program launched last month — and it’s just common sense it should, David Olive writes.

  • Hazdaz@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    32
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    The move to Canada is such an easy one as an American.

    If you are sick of some of the shit happening down here and don’t want to learn a new language, aren’t interested in culture-shock, and overall want to be surrounded by friendlier folks, then Canada is pure win. I’d be more willing to move to Canada than move to most other states in the union.

    • aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      From a cultural perspective, sure. But it’s not as easy from a logistical perspective. I looked into it when it looked as though the former president might install himself as dictator for life, and there are quite a few complex hoops to jump through.

      • Chocrates@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I checked when Trump won the first election and I am a few points short of being able to emigrate without getting a company to sponsor me. Only way I can do it is:

        • Get a Masters or a Doctorate in a desired field
        • Marry a citizen
        • Find a company that can’t find a local to do the job and have them sponsor your move

        My current company would be fine with me working in Canada I just can’t do it legally yet.

      • Hazdaz@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Oh absolutely. I mean I am sure it is easier to move there than most other countries, but yeah you aren’t just driving up theere with your stuff in tow and think you can just settle down.

        • kyle@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          True, but in my experience it’s like only speaking English in Germany. Everyone under 50 speaks English just fine, but it’s still secondary.

          • Hazdaz@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            But everything is required to also be written in English, right? Because I think they force the other provinces to write things in French.

            The few times I’ve been there, I never had a problem communicating with most people in English. In germany there were a few times when you could tell that English was clearly not taught to everyone, but even Germany was reasonably easy to navigate without speaking German.

            • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              But everything is required to also be written in English, right?

              Not in quebec, no. It is officially a french only province.

              Because I think they force the other provinces to write things in French.

              They’re not really forced to offer french. Other provinces do a piss poor job of upholding official bilingualism (ie. Supporting the french language) The only officially bilingual province is New Brunsiwick

      • Laticauda@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        I’m pretty sure Quebec is openly hostile to newcomers who don’t know Quebec French.

        • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Certain parts of quebec.

          Montreal is much more welcoming, but that’s generally how rural and urban areas are divided (openness to new cultures, languages, etc) and not necessarily a quebec problem

  • spiritedpause@lemmy-u6723.vm.elestio.app
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    ·
    1 year ago

    Giving more options to H1B visa tech workers is great! In order for Canada to compete for all tech talent in the US though (including US citizens), Canadian tech companies will need to have much better salaries.

    • fresh@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 year ago

      We spend billions subsidizing oil and gas, which are industries with dimming importance in the future. Meanwhile, we have some of the best artificial intelligence, computer science, cognitive science university programs in the world, and we send all of our graduates to the US.

      We should nurture a tech sector in Canada, not just focus solely on natural resources.

      • urshanabi [he/they]@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I agree and want to add that Canada didn’t have the same kind of AI Winter that the US and other places experienced. There’s at least some finding, though as you said not nearly enough…

  • ikidd@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    1 year ago

    Canadian tech employers want the immigration ministry to extend the program launched last month

    That should tell you all you need right there; it’s not about increasing tech in Canada, it’s about lowering wages for IT people that are already in the market.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s a good thing for US tech workers because it seems to be mostly H1B’s. Will be Interesting if the US changes their policies.

  • HousePanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    1 year ago

    I wish I were financially and mentally in a position to take advantage of this program because life in the United States is shit.

    • Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      If you can’t go to canada choose one of the nordic countries or most of europe. Alot cheaper to start there. Good luck king

      • Noerttipertti@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        1 year ago

        Bureocracy with work permits and citizenship is straight out of Monty Pythons Brazil. At least in Finland. 6 month wait times are not uncommon.

      • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        In general for a lot of people, just getting up and moving to a new country, let alone a different city/state in the the US, is financially off the table. At least that’s how I see it.

        • Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Yes absolutely, it’s still financially easier to go to a country that values citizens and has high population density.

      • HousePanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        There’s rumoured to be an immigration window that will be opened if a Christo-Fascist gets elected. This should be in the Scandinavian countries.

    • Vlyn@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      How to end up like Russia : “Human capital and brain drain 101”

      • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        1 year ago

        If I could drop two bombs, the second one would be on Silicon Valley. Tech “workers” are a scourge on society.

        • Vlyn@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          1 year ago

          Mate, the only reason why you can spew nonsense on the internet is because of tech workers. Go back to your cave.