Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It’s very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that’s not going to happen.
Diddy was affiliated with every rapper in NYC back then. I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
I think Jay probably got looped in on the lawsuit because they know he was at the party and he is filthy rich.
Going to bat for an accused rapist you have never met. Jay Z has made two albums with R-Kelly and toured with him immediately before his crimes came to light publicly. Dated Foxy underage, Bey likely underage. Those two and Rihanna all hanging around with them underage. Long standing links with Diddy. The idea that there’s this much smoke and no fire is hard to believe. He would have been surrounded by sketchy shit constantly while in many ways becoming the most successful in that environment. If anyone could have spoken out it was him - he didn’t.
That’s all random hearsay, it literally counts for nothing legally. Jay Z came from the ghetto, I’m sure he has done plenty of sketchy shit in his time.
But like why do you seem to think Diddy and R Kelly were going around bragging about their sexual perversions? They were coworkers in the same industry; I’m sure I have plenty of coworkers who have done heinous shit in their personal lives as well. But that doesn’t even remotely imply that I knew about it or was a part of it.
I don’t think there is very much smoke at all, I haven’t really heard any major accusations about Jay aside from this one. But also you’re falling right into the trap. They would plan to accuse him because they know random people are going to use the heuristic of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, and generally assume that he is guilty without even a shred of evidence. They know people will see Jay Z and Diddy in the same headline about sexual assault and that’s the only piece of information they’ll remember from the whole article, assuming they even bother to read it. I’m going to bat for due process and common sense, two things which are in increasingly short supply nowadays.
Not jumping up conclusions to confirm your own biases and assumptions is not naive, and the fact that you care more about whose “team” someone is on, than whether an accusation about them is actually true, exposes you as lacking integrity and real values, and not caring about actual justice.
As if the comment itself wasn’t cringy enough, imagining how clever you thought you were while writing something so off-the-charts smug and condescending just magnifies it exponentially.
What makes an adult man defend another adilt man who is accused of being a pedphile and who is associated with another pedophile held on charges of traffic?
It really is pathetic how black and white the thinking is.
‘Not instantly assuming guilt with no evidence and an anonymous accusation? Why are you DEFENDING him?!?! 😡😡😡’
I don’t know if he’s guilty, and neither do you. Only difference is, I’m actually willing to admit that fact, while you decide to pretend you know anything about the situation.
Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It’s very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that’s not going to happen.
And that’s why crimes should be reported when they happen so proper evidence is collected.
I deff think Jay z did due to Diddy affiliation but this is he said, she said now.
Diddy was affiliated with every rapper in NYC back then. I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
I think Jay probably got looped in on the lawsuit because they know he was at the party and he is filthy rich.
Going to bat for an accused rapist you have never met. Jay Z has made two albums with R-Kelly and toured with him immediately before his crimes came to light publicly. Dated Foxy underage, Bey likely underage. Those two and Rihanna all hanging around with them underage. Long standing links with Diddy. The idea that there’s this much smoke and no fire is hard to believe. He would have been surrounded by sketchy shit constantly while in many ways becoming the most successful in that environment. If anyone could have spoken out it was him - he didn’t.
That’s all random hearsay, it literally counts for nothing legally. Jay Z came from the ghetto, I’m sure he has done plenty of sketchy shit in his time.
But like why do you seem to think Diddy and R Kelly were going around bragging about their sexual perversions? They were coworkers in the same industry; I’m sure I have plenty of coworkers who have done heinous shit in their personal lives as well. But that doesn’t even remotely imply that I knew about it or was a part of it.
I don’t think there is very much smoke at all, I haven’t really heard any major accusations about Jay aside from this one. But also you’re falling right into the trap. They would plan to accuse him because they know random people are going to use the heuristic of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, and generally assume that he is guilty without even a shred of evidence. They know people will see Jay Z and Diddy in the same headline about sexual assault and that’s the only piece of information they’ll remember from the whole article, assuming they even bother to read it. I’m going to bat for due process and common sense, two things which are in increasingly short supply nowadays.
Naive but you are entitled to your opinion and society will make their own judgements.
The beauty here is this lapring is about donr and plebs are ready with pitch forks for pedos celebs and parasitic executives.
You are spending a lot of time trying to defend some rich old pedo.
Why do you care anyway?
He ain’t on working class team at all.
Not jumping up conclusions to confirm your own biases and assumptions is not naive, and the fact that you care more about whose “team” someone is on, than whether an accusation about them is actually true, exposes you as lacking integrity and real values, and not caring about actual justice.
It is a class war mate…
Lapring for a rich pedophile celebrity is not
Pathetic, get a clue
The implication that child molestation is something only/primarily rich people do is colossally ignorant.
You need several clues.
The allegations are that J raped her and then Diddy raped her while an unnamed female celebrity watched.
That’s exactly what I am assuming going forward though.
These celebrities don’t deserve any deference, they over stayed their welcome in the public sphere and somebody is disposing of them.
It looks like they are all compromised though. So fuck 'em.
Lol okay champ. Impeccable critical thinking skills.
FAFO… The clowns are entering FO stage as society is turning on them.
They let pedos exist among them, they are all pedos to me now.
Gonna be a open safari on them in US the way things are going along with corporate executives haha
And hopefully you’ll realize sooner than later that this is a flaw, not a virtue.
Assuming guilt just because it confirms your biases is something you should be ashamed to have done.
I don’t humanize rich parasites, sweetie…
As if the comment itself wasn’t cringy enough, imagining how clever you thought you were while writing something so off-the-charts smug and condescending just magnifies it exponentially.
Grow up.
Trolling seems pretty routine for you.
Calling out sanctimony isn’t trolling. Spend less time looking down your nose at people and more learning what words mean.
What makes an adult man defend another adilt man who is accused of being a pedphile and who is associated with another pedophile held on charges of traffic?
It really is pathetic how black and white the thinking is.
‘Not instantly assuming guilt with no evidence and an anonymous accusation? Why are you DEFENDING him?!?! 😡😡😡’
I don’t know if he’s guilty, and neither do you. Only difference is, I’m actually willing to admit that fact, while you decide to pretend you know anything about the situation.