edit: in USA. we get offer letters, take it or leave it. your job duties can change on the fly, no “contract” to abide by. do the job or leave/get fired. there is some negotiating room, but not a lot
Land of the free and all that. Free from paid healthcare, a decent public education, a strong voice in government, an impartial justice system, employee rights… With all this freedom, it’s hard to imagine wanting to be anywhere else.
Someone does some digging and figures it out, and maybe five or so years later you get a check in the mail for an amount the lawyers agreed was correct.
Previous pay stubs I suppose. Depending on the employer you may have something in writing. This typically wouldn’t be contract if you’re an employee without a union.
Lol I don’t understand. So when you get hired somewhere, you just shake hands and go to a desk and start working? You don’t sign any employment contract outlining role responsibilities, compensation, NDA, expectations, background check, bank deposit information, tax information, etc?
you don’t have too, it’s all pretty informal besides taxes and I’d verification. no contract says you have to do X or can’t do X, it’s more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either.
You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn’t a binding contract.
An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment.
most hires don’t get contracts
edit: in USA. we get offer letters, take it or leave it. your job duties can change on the fly, no “contract” to abide by. do the job or leave/get fired. there is some negotiating room, but not a lot
Huh? All jobs come with an employment contract.
You must not be in america. We’re lucky if we get breaks.
I’m an American and I’ve always had a contract. Even in retail. Of course the contracts are all bullshit and just a waiver of my rights.
an employment offer letter is not a contract.
Land of the free and all that. Free from paid healthcare, a decent public education, a strong voice in government, an impartial justice system, employee rights… With all this freedom, it’s hard to imagine wanting to be anywhere else.
Freedom to treat your employees however you want!
So if the employer suddenly decides to e.g. start paying you less, how do you prove how much your pay should be?
There is nearly always a contract and the business will submit tax paperwork with your compensation to the IRS.
Under the table workers are illegal and on their own
still not a contract, that’s just taxes.
Someone does some digging and figures it out, and maybe five or so years later you get a check in the mail for an amount the lawyers agreed was correct.
Previous pay stubs I suppose. Depending on the employer you may have something in writing. This typically wouldn’t be contract if you’re an employee without a union.
That’s cute you believe that
My dude, we’re talking about remote work office jobs. Not some random under the table shit.
My dude, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. That’s me in fact.
Even if I had a contract it wouldn’t matter as I live in a right to work state, they can fire me at any point without warning or cause.
Having any real employment contract is NOT the norm here.
Non office jobs are more likely to be unionized and this have a contract than office jobs.
That’s the type of thing non W2 self employed contractors or union members might have to lean back on, not rank and file full time office employees.
Lol I don’t understand. So when you get hired somewhere, you just shake hands and go to a desk and start working? You don’t sign any employment contract outlining role responsibilities, compensation, NDA, expectations, background check, bank deposit information, tax information, etc?
I don’t believe you.
you don’t have too, it’s all pretty informal besides taxes and I’d verification. no contract says you have to do X or can’t do X, it’s more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either.
You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn’t a binding contract.
Source
Title, start date and time, job title is about all that’s on the “contract”.
Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined.
I don’t understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration.
To where?
Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife.
I’m fine, it’s not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere.