• darcy@sh.itjust.works
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    *calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*

    wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.

    Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread

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      It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.

      In terms of pure health, there’s not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.

      Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.

      EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There’s really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn’t the right way to fight that battle.

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          Yes, bread can be healthy. The right one in moderation. The same as red meat (per your reference), actually :).

          But 80/20 extra-fattened with liver for a delicious burger? Definitely not healthy (but like a candy bar, it’s ok to have one every months or two)

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          But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

          Uhh. Why not? Whole Grain comes in all shapes and sizes now. Hell, most higher end restaurants use whole grain buns. Not sure why you would conclude that?

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              Do you live somewhere in the world where it’s hard to get? I rarely eat bread, but when I do buy from the store it’s always 100% wholegrain. I just bought some a few weeks ago and there were plenty of different choices on the shelf.

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          Your “source” is one doctor speaking out against and entire study where the researchers found “low” evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. That’s not low health risks, or low percentage of affected individuals, but low evidence that here are any risks at all.

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          But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

          yeah people do its not uncommon here

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          The doctor in your link says processed meat is likely bad all around, presumably due to additives, but that red meat in lower amounts (specifically, he says “2-3 times a week” and to use red meat as a side, instead of a main) is actually associated with lower health risks.

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          I said it elsewhere. Basically, it combines low nutritional value with a high density pack of too-easily-digested carbs.

          The effect is that it increases blood sugar and hunger, which very easily leads to higher weight. Higher weight alone is not immediately unhealthy, but it can get unhealthy pretty fast if you get heavier and heavier.

          And the only objection is “well, better than sugar, so it’s not THAT bad”… But we have a lot of added sugar in bread here in the US.