they ignore the attempted coup, the fact russian soldiers have shown their equipment to be shit with wooden blocks instead of explosives or cosplay helmets and body armor. disregard the fact Russia is forcing people to fight and moral is held by Russian soldiers being unable to retreat for fear of death.
y’all dumb as bricks. wheres the one guy who posts that weird site “proving” tiananmen square was some western op but when you check the sources he provides they say the exact opposite.
99% of the people who participated in the 1989 anti-corruptipn protests are fine. They went after the figureheads who tried to skew the protests into being pro-democracy (coincidentally, most of these people ended up in the US and were offered asylum). Casualties primarily occurred in standoffs surrounding the square - police were strung up, molotovs were thrown, windows were smashed, national guard opened fire, and the (rather inadequately trained) riot police got handed equipment and told to deal with it.
It was widely seen at the time that Deng Xiaoping’s policies for economic liberalization were harming the average person by allowing some regions and some people to get rich before others. What that meant in practice was that local government officials would grift the crap out of things… So the protests happened, Deng Xiaoping was forced to step down, and the pace of economic liberalization was slowed. The point of the movement was not for change of government or democratization - that skew happened incredibly late in the process, but most notably the protests did lead to substantiative change in China’s government, policy direction, and led to the most senior officials stepping down.
The protests… Worked. Just like the white paper protests worked in ending COVID-19 restrictions. Just like hundreds of protests every year help bring attention to local government officials’ corruption. The protests led to substantiative change in policy, had repercussions on the relevant government officials, and, fundamentally, did exactly what a protest is designed to do.
Because 99% of the people who took part weren’t in the city. But the fact that there was a crackdown that crossed an extreme line is true.
I don’t care personally. China, America, Russia, India, Germany. Everyone abuses their citizens when they protest. The point is the level of fake news these people want to sell.
The massacre happened everywhere but the square really. Some of your points are true especially about the obvious lack of training police and military had at handling citizens.
But there was absolutely a violent crackdown that took lives over a protest that was held by the people call it whatever you like but protests are all democratic in nature, the will of the people. A violent response is anti-democratic. Tankies froth trying to deny that
Can’t believe all of these tankies are ignoring anti-Russian propaganda. Real thinkers inject Ukrainian Government press releases disguised as journalism straight into their veins.
Lol. I wouldn’t have been surprised by this kind of blatant cope a year or two ago. Those cringe lies about Russians not knowing how to fight or having inferior tech were all the rage among the NAFO losers at the time. Of course it was all projection even then, but now that Russia is so obviously and thoroughly spanking Ukraine, it’s much harder to phrase the “Russian orcs are dumbdumbs who fight with shovels!” line without doing a massive self-own.
And speaking of self-owns, it’s pretty funny that you insist on bringing up a completely unrelated topic where you were totally not owned by people who schooled you in an attempt to disabuse you of your willful ignorance regarding Tienanmen Square. But it looks like you won’t even believe your vaunted western liberal sources when it comes to making sure you don’t have to take your head out of the sand.
edit: Looks like I was a little late to reply to this one. Does anyone know if a user still sees responses to their comment if the reply was made after the parent comment was removed?
Lol I love the tankies
they ignore the attempted coup, the fact russian soldiers have shown their equipment to be shit with wooden blocks instead of explosives or cosplay helmets and body armor. disregard the fact Russia is forcing people to fight and moral is held by Russian soldiers being unable to retreat for fear of death.
y’all dumb as bricks. wheres the one guy who posts that weird site “proving” tiananmen square was some western op but when you check the sources he provides they say the exact opposite.
lmfao
99% of the people who participated in the 1989 anti-corruptipn protests are fine. They went after the figureheads who tried to skew the protests into being pro-democracy (coincidentally, most of these people ended up in the US and were offered asylum). Casualties primarily occurred in standoffs surrounding the square - police were strung up, molotovs were thrown, windows were smashed, national guard opened fire, and the (rather inadequately trained) riot police got handed equipment and told to deal with it.
It was widely seen at the time that Deng Xiaoping’s policies for economic liberalization were harming the average person by allowing some regions and some people to get rich before others. What that meant in practice was that local government officials would grift the crap out of things… So the protests happened, Deng Xiaoping was forced to step down, and the pace of economic liberalization was slowed. The point of the movement was not for change of government or democratization - that skew happened incredibly late in the process, but most notably the protests did lead to substantiative change in China’s government, policy direction, and led to the most senior officials stepping down.
The protests… Worked. Just like the white paper protests worked in ending COVID-19 restrictions. Just like hundreds of protests every year help bring attention to local government officials’ corruption. The protests led to substantiative change in policy, had repercussions on the relevant government officials, and, fundamentally, did exactly what a protest is designed to do.
Because 99% of the people who took part weren’t in the city. But the fact that there was a crackdown that crossed an extreme line is true.
I don’t care personally. China, America, Russia, India, Germany. Everyone abuses their citizens when they protest. The point is the level of fake news these people want to sell.
The massacre happened everywhere but the square really. Some of your points are true especially about the obvious lack of training police and military had at handling citizens.
But there was absolutely a violent crackdown that took lives over a protest that was held by the people call it whatever you like but protests are all democratic in nature, the will of the people. A violent response is anti-democratic. Tankies froth trying to deny that
What line is the front in currently I forget
Can’t believe all of these tankies are ignoring anti-Russian propaganda. Real thinkers inject Ukrainian Government press releases disguised as journalism straight into their veins.
Lol. I wouldn’t have been surprised by this kind of blatant cope a year or two ago. Those cringe lies about Russians not knowing how to fight or having inferior tech were all the rage among the NAFO losers at the time. Of course it was all projection even then, but now that Russia is so obviously and thoroughly spanking Ukraine, it’s much harder to phrase the “Russian orcs are dumbdumbs who fight with shovels!” line without doing a massive self-own.
And speaking of self-owns, it’s pretty funny that you insist on bringing up a completely unrelated topic where you were totally not owned by people who schooled you in an attempt to disabuse you of your willful ignorance regarding Tienanmen Square. But it looks like you won’t even believe your vaunted western liberal sources when it comes to making sure you don’t have to take your head out of the sand.
edit: Looks like I was a little late to reply to this one. Does anyone know if a user still sees responses to their comment if the reply was made after the parent comment was removed?