Lol the OP missed the biggest part: journalists are being locked up for daring to photograph this shit
But I thought fascism was only going to happen if Trump is elected? Guess it’s already here, now what do we do??
I know!
let’s not vote and get trump elected so that instead of just being arrested, these people are shipped off to a gulag.
That will fix everything!
I think you need a literal rebellion to get the change you want. Glad I don’t live there, watching America decay is something else.
It’s sad. Like watching a sibling turn into Alex in A Clockwork Orange.
Can we first try passing electoral reform at the state level and get rid of the spoiler effect inherent with a First past the post voting system?
How can we steer this car away from the cliff if we are bound and gagged in the back of the cop car?
They act like this is new. Were trying to keep it from devolving further.
This isn’t fascism. These people will get a slap on the wrist and be sent home in a day or two. Under fascism these people would never be heard from again.
So punishing free speech and protest is not fascist provided that they are “only” in jail for a couple of days? Seriously?
Obviously cracking down on protests doesn’t mean it’s 1930s Germany but it’s part of the same playbook, surely?
I’m certainly not defending the silencing of protest. It’s just that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist. Fascism has a specific definition and it’s a whole other degree of bad.
Fair enough. It is being used more colloquially in this case, you’re right. I retract the accusation of fascism and substitute “an unjust authoritarian crackdown on the right to freedom of speech and expression, undermining the very tenets of democratic society. A national embarrassment.”
100% agree with you then.
would you be able to link to a page that helps describe fascism as you say: that relies on severity of consequence?
asking because whilst i agree that fascism is specific - and this doesn’t cover it - im not sure that degree of severity is part of the definition and that could be a dangerous precedent to set because the other parts of fascism about control and quashing dissent enable the severe consequences once they are present
I usually go by Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism essay for a definition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
Suppression of protest would fall under #4 “Disagreement is Treason”. Under fascism it is not enough to silence opposition. They must be treated as enemies of the state and be eradicated.
really appreciate you taking the effort! i see where you’re coming from with the “enemies of the state” part, and think that id agree there
Most other prisoners of the early camps were soon set free again—not because of outside intervention, but because the authorities felt that a brief period of shock and awe was normally enough to force opponents into compliance. As a result, there was a rapid turnover in 1933, with the places of released prisoners quickly filled with new ones.
The duration of detention was unpredictable. Prisoners who expected to regain their freedom after a few days were mostly disappointed, but it was rare for them to remain inside for a year or more. Longer spells were served in the bigger, more permanent camps, but even in a large camp like Oranienburg, around two‐thirds of all prisoners stayed for less than three months.244
The result was a constant stream of former prisoners back into German society, and it was these men and women who would become the most important sources of private knowledge about the early camps.
(Emphasis added. Source.)
They’re literally trespassing… And btw, that’s part of their intention. If it was legal for them to do this, they would probably find something Else to do that was illegal but not excessive(as in, not trying to do felonies not misdemeanors). Why do I say that? Because that’s how you get your message out. If these same people were all sitting out in some random alleyway, or at one of their houses, where the police couldn’t arrest them, the media wouldn’t really care and nobody would hear about their message really.
So no, being arrested for breaking the law isn’t fascism and it’s ridiculous to say that. What they’re doing is great as they’re breaking the law, attracting attention to the Palestine issue, while also not hurting people, nor getting felonies or starting fights with police. This is going well and according to plan.
It was at a private college campus and the dean suspended all the students protesting and requested to have NYPD come remove them. In other words, the property caretaker was being a dick and had them removed from the premises.
Hmmm… well that almost sounds like capitalism in a Republic democracy. Shit, now what?
Keep doing it until almost the entire student body is suspended, or protest off campus?
Sounds like a plan! Can’t suspend alumni, so I’m game
Boot licker
This is fascism-lite. Just because people aren’t disappeared doesn’t mean it’s not in the same category. And the only way we can hope to stop from getting to “actual” fascism is by resisting shit like this.
Exactly.
Fascism doesn’t come in detended stages, it’s tiny increments where the state seizes more power and restricts rights gradually until suddenly you notice that people are disappearing and everyones primary emotion is fear
I don’t disagree that silencing protest is bad. It’s just not fascism. Fascists kill dissenters.
Treating protestors like this is the norm (though it always must be fought). It’s how they were treated during Occupy Wall Street. It’s how they were treated during Vietnam and the civil rights fight. Authoritarianism can come from both the left and the right. Fascism is always from the right.
Fascists kill dissenters.
Not in the beginning. In the beginning it’s more about the economic side of fascism. And that has definitely happened in the US. For decades now.
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Y’all need to hear the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
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The more totalitarian a government is, the more the police become henchmen of the leaders.
This is happening under Biden. There’s a reason why bluemaga isn’t calling Trump a fascist anymore.
Someone please post this on lemmy.world, I want to see their reaction.
They would melt.
Looks like a lot of worlders are already in this comment section.
The hell does a civil request for trespass have to do with Biden?
Let me get this straight. Public universities (including the University of Minnesota, UT Austin, and others) are private property, despite receiving billions in government funding?
Ooooooooohhhh! I didn’t even consider that!! Fucking slaaaayyyy!
Request…
And again, the fuck does it have to do with Biden?
They’re not even trying to deny the fascism any more.
Why is the biden regime cracking down on students protesting biden’s massive funding of palestinian genocide?
Kinda wild how the system keeps legions of thugs on-call, nationwide, that can be assembled at a moment’s notice to inflict legal violence on whatever the target population is
Why is this escalating so much faster than the 1989 Chinese democracy protests or the 2019 Hong Kong protests? In those cases, it took weeks for arrests to happen and months for force to be deployed. Most law enforcement in those cases were unarmed.
Because Chinese police and military exist for different reasons than US police and military
Repression of the citizens and projection of power externally?
Yes, vs Chinese police and Military existing to protect the revolution.
Derp. I’d entirely forgotten about the red guard while writing that. In terms of enforcing the revolution.
…And every other police state for that matter.
Thanks.
Sorry, are you saying red guards enforced every other police state? Or that all police states exist to protect the revolution? Both statements seem very nonsensical
