God yes please. The more I hear about that shithole the more I see just how much they don’t deserve exist. They out-racist America in a lot of cases.
I’m sorta respecting Macron’s drive to make Europe plough it’s own furrow away from the USA.
On the other hand, I don’t trust Macron and his ilk to lead Europe. I trust them barely more than I trust the USA. I don’t like Macron’s approach to Ukraine or his domestic policies. At least he is cool about Taiwan tho.
Isn’t France buying an ungodly amount of Russian gas?
I don’t know. Is it?
my electricity bill says no lol
Europe overall is still buying tons of Russian fossil fuels, they’re just overpaying for it due to sanctions. A high bill is exactly what that entails!
Isn’t it cool to be directly paying for NATO aggression?
Good
Promise?
Of course Europe should stop relying on U.S military especially when it’s in danger of once again falling under the control of Putin’s favourite useful orange idiot.
I love how blueAnon keep peddling their discredited Russiagate conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory now? So the Ukranians are fighting imaginary invaders?
The regime the west installed in Ukraine is literally grabbing people off the streets to fight in this proxy war https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
PICK A FUCKING SIDE UUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHH
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The US will consume Europe to fight Russia and China.
Oh look if it isn’t consequences of my actions - western Europe.
Macron week ago: SEND TROOPS TO UKRAINE
Macron now: maybe better distance ourselves from the USA
Is anyone even taking this guy seriously? I mean i kind of understand he will say anything at all that have a slight chance of lessening the internal contradictions in France, but please tell me not even liberals have memory this short?
To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that’s where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
Here he is saying it five months ago: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/
In March 2022: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/macron-distances-himself-from-us-biden-calling-putin-a-butcher/2547489
In Sept 2020: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-dependency-us-arms/
Fair enough, it’s not the first time he’s made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.
It’s not an “outburst”, it’s his consistent line. He’s staking his career on this “autonomous Europe” bet
Except the effect of his “autonomous Europe” policy is Europe being more and more dependent and more and more sabotaged by USA. Sure, Germany have more to say about it and they are gargling on US boot totally lately, but France influence is almost as big.
I guess they had a decent shot at it in the last two decades, but they blew it completely, and considering what Hollande and Merkel did with Minsk agreements, maybe they were never really intended to do it anyway.
There’s a big difference between rhetoric and policy. The policy Macron is pursuing is ensuring the opposite of independent Europe.
yeah and then he consistently mops up to the US and NATO like the good little puppy he is, its insufferable. He has zero political credibility left in france, he actually stopped making tv speeches because literally no one watches them.
Germany, UK and France were something like the centers of influence in the EU. Since UK brexited, Macron tries to capitalize on France being the one calling the shots, but doing it in a pretty embarassing manner. Remember his call to Putin early in 2022? Whatever one thinks about the subject of the call, he ran rogue from the EU and tried to be the frontrunner of EU-Russia relationships and probably claim the title of the peacemaker. Predictably, the only things he’s got are a tacker’s lecture and international WTF. And he also does this to the US, making himself look like a middleman in a EU-US dialogue. He looks like a Napoleon from historically incorrect jokes about his height, but not being a Napoleon-tier historical figure himself, but rather a side character. The type you skip all dialogs with.
No he’s just inconsistent, trying to appease different audiences.
yeah that’s the most likely scenario
Is anyone even taking this guy seriously?
NO.
Its the same eu army back and forth that has been going on since november 2012 i think, its just a talking point to further that goal.
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He did talked about sending French troops, but that move only really benefits USA. If he wanted to distance France from USA he should first and foremost start with the most pressing things on US agenda - condemn Israeli genocide using all means available to sanction Israel, and at least try to act for a peace in Ukraine instead of constant stoking and escalating the conflict.
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Because it alienates them from their vassalizing lords, the United States.
Europe is currently stripping itself for parts for US interests. It is most in their interest to have an independent foreign policy but they’re so stuck in their imperialist wager of extracting wealth from the poorest countries (using the US as the global seat for this regime) it’s unimaginable to Euro liberals. They’re now so culturally ties to absolute nonsense about “Western values” and xenophobia (racism) that they can’t even bail themselves out of this situation.
I grow tired of paying for the bulk of European security. Get your own damn army.
I mean that they need a unified European Army. Two powerhouses will be better than 1.
A European Army would be an interesting outcome, america would save a lot when it lost it’s bases there and became a regional power. Sure, the US would lose any say in a lot of matters that concern it, but they would learn, like the UK, to complain loudly and be ignored.
It’s not going to be something useful like a power house though. It’ll be a bunch of dudes simulating how to blow up poor third-world peasants in the most expensive way possible. In case the market demands that particular skillset. And who is going to command this lot? Von der Leyen? I’d rather not give an army to the aristocratic horse lady (again). She probably always wanted to order a cavalry charge against some peasants, so let’s not give her the chance.
She probably always wanted to order a cavalry charge against some peasants
Goedendag to her then i guess
…but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make
