• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    1 year ago

    Nah, China hasn’t been stealing anything. Western companies made an explicit choice to do business in China at the cost of tech transfer. Today, China has long outpaced the west in many technological areas. Meanwhile, imagine still peddling cultural genocide conspiracy theories. If you want to see what actual cultural genocide looks like then go to US or Canada and see what settlers did to the indigenous population.

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      Here’s when they stole military hardware specs:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-hackers-took-trillions-in-intellectual-property-from-about-30-multinational-companies/

      Here’s when they stole turbine designs:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64206950

      Here’s where s Chinese worker literally stole a troubleshooting robot from T-Mobile, Chinese companies stole electric vehicle designs, it just goes on and on:

      https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-us-china-trade-war-ip-theft-20190221-story.html

      Chinese companies steal constantly. Companies who work with them know that there will be technology transfer, not that there will be blatant, illegal theft Chinese individuals and companies regularly perpetrate.

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        1 year ago

        Stealing tech is a good thing for everyone. What’s the point of every country having to reinventing the wheel? Patents on tech and medicines are a crime against humanity.

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          Why would anyone work towards investing any new things if they couldn’t make money from them. The country who didn’t invent it buys it from the country who does. That’s how the economy works.

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          Indeed, I’m completely against intellectual property as it holds back humanity as a whole for the benefit of enriching a small minority and creating inequality.

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            Why would anyone bother to work on anything if they couldn’t exploit their invention or creation for money? Where would the money come from for R&D to fund the creation of further stuff if the last stuff was never able to break even?

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                  It is, if you can’t imagine how innovation happens outside of capitalism then educate yourself. Google exists, go read up on how socialist countries develop and innovate. For example, you can read up on how Cuba is one of the few countries in the world that managed to develop covid vaccines.

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                    How many if those countries are in the top economies? The G7? The G20 even? If their systems are so good why are they not dominating the world financially?

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        It’s absolutely adorable that you think only Chinese companies do this, like corporate espionage doesn’t exist in the west. 😂

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          Ah, making up new points that weren’t asserted because you lost the argument. Classic yogi.

          Corporate espionage occurs everywhere, It’s just blatant with Chinese spies, case in point being that fellow who lifted up a robot and walked out of the T-Mobile laboratories with it.

          You said that China doesn’t commit corporate espionage and theft constantly so I listed half a dozen recent cases with actual evidence and convictions that show they do.

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            I didn’t lose any argument. All companies steal tech from each other everywhere all the time. The claim you were trying to make is that China somehow steals from the west at state level as a policy. Today, China is way ahead of the west in many areas technologically, I guess using your galaxy brain logic they must be stealing it from the future.

            The best part here is that you genuinely think you made a good and coherent point. 😂

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              You lied. I did not claim that China is stealing from the west at state level as a policy.

              Today China is not technologically ahead of “the west.” This is very easy to see if you look at the above links, showing the times that China has blatantly stolen basic design and tech that they shouldn’t need if they were ahead of even just the US. Since China is behind the US technologically, they are constantly stealing designs and technology from the US.

              Now we’ll just ignore all the things that you are making up and focus on what actually happened.

              You incorrectly claim that Chinese companies and spies do not constantly commit corporate espionage and steel technology and designs from the west.

              Above, there are half a dozen clear cut recent examples of China stealing designs and technology from the west.

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                China has hypersonic missiles, usa does not. Tell me how they “stole” them.

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                  You mean those missiles lockheed martin had in the 70s? That LM is working with DARPA on now that other countries have caught up? The missiles we already have a working defense system for?

                  Those missiles?

                  Chinese hypersonic missiles are dependent on American technology smuggled to China through Chinese companies because “American technology — such as highly specialized aeronautical engineering software — fills critical gaps in domestic technology and is key to advances in Chinese weaponry.”

                  That’s how. Smuggling. Normal, boring smuggling.

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/17/china-hypersonic-missiles-american-technology/

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                  Ah yes, their"potential" and 'possible" advancements.

                  These articles do not actually measure technology, they measure the amount of money the ccp is investing in tech in order to catch up with the US and articles published, regardless of the content.

                  When you discover the metrics by which these “leads” are established, it’s easy to see why the “leading” country in 37 tech fields is so desperate to steal technology from the US.

                  Person B is a not a better painter than person A because they bought more paintbrushes.

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        China has hypersonic missiles, usa does not. They don’t need to copy, because their stuff is better.

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          Exactly, China leads in lots of areas. 5G tech, quantum communication, bullet trains, nuclear power, just to name a few. People who keep claiming that China is just stealing and copying western tech are just ignorant racists.