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    Funny enough, I probably did more software engineering as a web dev than I did as a software engineer at some companies.

    In the UK, at least, the only difference typically between a web developer and a software engineer is £15-20k in salary. Frankly, we’re all software engineers…

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        About half of the equivalent in the US, often less. It’s exceedingly rare to make 100k here even in a senior position, although it does exist. Median is 40-50k (pounds, so times that by 1.2 for USD).

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            Afaik it’s similar here in Germany.
            BUT you need go remember: We have social insurance and don’t need to pay 5000$ whwn taking the ambulance etc. etc.
            So if you exclude that we may come close if you need to see a doc on the regular.

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            Yes, depending on where you live rent might be similar (London isn’t much cheaper than NY or LA) but cost of living is otherwise less. Also, people tend to work much shorter hours (a limit of 37 for me, any extra is returned as PTO) and start with much more annual leave (25 days discretionary, for me, plus public holidays, plus we close over Christmas and new year’s). Furthermore there’s no health costs to pay etc. On the whole it balances out and I think the lifestyle here is better, but I do envy the extreme salaries of those in the US.

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        Varies heavily dependent on industry, but typically less than US devs. Also if you live outside London it’s going to be a lot less.

        You average non-junior dev will probably make about 50-60k £ in london but about 25-35k £ outside london.

        Senior developer can vary heavily. in london I’ve seen 60-120k depending on language and industry.

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            I’m a senior in the north east and I’m on 32k. But cost of living and houses are sooooo much cheaper here. I am not scraping by, I’m doing good.

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              I’d say you’re very underpaid, I’m making about 50% more than that in a fully remote UK-based mid-level position. You should start looking for a new job, even if it’s just as leverage to get paid fairly at your current place.

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                To add to this, I get paid more as a junior in Wales which should be comparable to NW England economically.

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              However things like cars, phones, vacations, gas/petrol or electricity still cost the same everywhere…

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            Pounds and dollars are not the same. Also don’t move country just for a job, you can probably work remotely anyway!

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        You mean you wouldn’t expect a software engineer to understand the coefficient of thermal expansion of tungsten carbide in a gas lubricated piston/cylinder pneumatic deadweight calibration system?

        Yeah, me either. But I would expect one to know how to research the documentation to find out what it meant.

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          Even though my job title has “engineer” in it, I don’t agree that it should be considered an area of engineering.

          Yeah, me either. But I would expect one to know how to research the documentation to find out what it meant.

          I wouldn’t even expect most of them to this kind of research, no. On top of that, I see “engineering” also carrying some type of accountability and responsibility. For example, civil engineering, there are often regulatory bodies, codes, and standards that engineers must adhere to, and they are legally responsible for the safety and integrity of their projects. While in the software side of things, standards and best practices are more loose. Unless you’re working in safety critical industries (automotive, aviation, etc…), the “accountability structure” is completely different, if existent at all. Calling themselves Software developer or some derivate would make much more from my point of view.