Isn’t the Portuguese one just saying they block stuff on isp level when the government orders them (or rather a court does) (btw i edited my first reply)
Kind of, the law doesn’t actually say that it only applies to ISPs… technically speaking the Portuguese law could be applicable and enforced with a VPN provider is a court decided to do so. The legislation is kind of written in a vague way that may apply to more than just ISPs. So far they only pressured ISPs to block websites.
Yeah thats the same game in Germany, but the processes are so fucking long that getting something blocked takes time, our ISPs fight almost every time and when something gets blocked its at max an hour until they have a new domain that isn’t blocked.
The wording is vague but Noone dares to try and court a VPN service over that bs or tries to fight google or cloudflare.
The only actual option to get something out of the internet is to find the server and shut it down.
but the processes are so fucking long that getting something blocked takes time, our ISPs fight almost every time (…) The only actual option to get something out of the internet is to find the server and shut it down.
Not the case at all around here (Portugal), the blocks are quick and ISPs don’t even complain, they simply comply. What the law says is that there’s a govt entity called IGAC that is allowed to ask ISPs to block a website (domain name) as long as the website is flagged as containing / hosting piracy or other form of copyright infringement. The only requirement is that IGAC has to notify the website owner asking to remove the content prior blocking. After 48 if the website is still hosting said content then IGAC will ask the ISPs to block it.
Since this is all DNS based one can, obviously, set their DNS servers as Google or Cloudflare and bypass the block. Now the problem is that this is all fun and games until someone in the govt decides to go against Cloudflare and other DNS providers, the law would allow them to easily do it the way its written.
Since this is all DNS based one can, obviously, set their DNS servers as Google or Cloudflare and bypass the block. Now the problem is that this is all fun and games until someone in the govt decides to go against Cloudflare and other DNS providers, the law would allow them to easily do it the way its written.
I mean if even one of those just shuts down service in or for Portugal the entire Internet is fucked instantly. AWS, Cloudflare and Google(rather Alphabet, the cooperation behind Google) are the literal spine of the internet. If you decide to go against them you dig your own grave and take the whole economy with you. Like cloudflare alone shoulders around 80% of the web.
I mean if even one of those just shuts down service in or for Portugal the entire Internet is fucked instantly.
Yes, but what if the govt just politely tells them “look, we’ve a law about piracy and we think you should block websites at the DNS level like our ISPs are doing”. Do you think Google / Cloudflare will fight it? They already have mechanisms for that in place for parental controls etc. so… the effort of adding a block list for a country shouldn’t be a big deal.
But they don’t want to comply, that’s the point, they don’t need to fight because nobody dares to even suggest something ridiculous like that, and yes they would go to court over that just so their lawyers have something to work on its peanuts for them and they absolutely don’t want anyone to interfere with their stuff.
Its not a big deal from a technical perspective, but for them its a big issue with their beliefs, especially for cloudflare.
And then there are still all the custom DNS that can just go around that all.
That’s some authoritarian shitshow right there. But i think its not a violation of EU laws or agreements.
😂 😂 😂 well the irony is that this is the kind of “authoritarian shitshow” we got by electing the left. That and a tax on digital storage (flash drives, disks etc) because they might be used to hold piracy. Even phones are taxed.
I agree with you, but still the portuguese law is equally a violation of the EU human rights agreement.
Isn’t the Portuguese one just saying they block stuff on isp level when the government orders them (or rather a court does) (btw i edited my first reply)
Kind of, the law doesn’t actually say that it only applies to ISPs… technically speaking the Portuguese law could be applicable and enforced with a VPN provider is a court decided to do so. The legislation is kind of written in a vague way that may apply to more than just ISPs. So far they only pressured ISPs to block websites.
Yeah thats the same game in Germany, but the processes are so fucking long that getting something blocked takes time, our ISPs fight almost every time and when something gets blocked its at max an hour until they have a new domain that isn’t blocked.
The wording is vague but Noone dares to try and court a VPN service over that bs or tries to fight google or cloudflare.
The only actual option to get something out of the internet is to find the server and shut it down.
Not the case at all around here (Portugal), the blocks are quick and ISPs don’t even complain, they simply comply. What the law says is that there’s a govt entity called IGAC that is allowed to ask ISPs to block a website (domain name) as long as the website is flagged as containing / hosting piracy or other form of copyright infringement. The only requirement is that IGAC has to notify the website owner asking to remove the content prior blocking. After 48 if the website is still hosting said content then IGAC will ask the ISPs to block it.
Since this is all DNS based one can, obviously, set their DNS servers as Google or Cloudflare and bypass the block. Now the problem is that this is all fun and games until someone in the govt decides to go against Cloudflare and other DNS providers, the law would allow them to easily do it the way its written.
I mean if even one of those just shuts down service in or for Portugal the entire Internet is fucked instantly. AWS, Cloudflare and Google(rather Alphabet, the cooperation behind Google) are the literal spine of the internet. If you decide to go against them you dig your own grave and take the whole economy with you. Like cloudflare alone shoulders around 80% of the web.
Yes, but what if the govt just politely tells them “look, we’ve a law about piracy and we think you should block websites at the DNS level like our ISPs are doing”. Do you think Google / Cloudflare will fight it? They already have mechanisms for that in place for parental controls etc. so… the effort of adding a block list for a country shouldn’t be a big deal.
But they don’t want to comply, that’s the point, they don’t need to fight because nobody dares to even suggest something ridiculous like that, and yes they would go to court over that just so their lawyers have something to work on its peanuts for them and they absolutely don’t want anyone to interfere with their stuff.
Its not a big deal from a technical perspective, but for them its a big issue with their beliefs, especially for cloudflare.
And then there are still all the custom DNS that can just go around that all.
That’s some authoritarian shitshow right there. But i think its not a violation of EU laws or agreements.
😂 😂 😂 well the irony is that this is the kind of “authoritarian shitshow” we got by electing the left. That and a tax on digital storage (flash drives, disks etc) because they might be used to hold piracy. Even phones are taxed.
We have that tax in Germany as well, its completely ridiculous and a audacity that this shit exists.
Great piece of shit of a tax indeed.