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      If you only have the one passport you are already a citizen of your country right? So no need to worry as long as you actually respect the local culture.

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        So no need to worry as long as you actually respect the local culture.

        This is a pretty callous reply.

        Why is my need not to worry conditional?

        Why is my culture not part “the local culture”? I’ve lived here longer than many so called natives.

        You are saying I will never fully belong here, regardless of what I do. And that’s exactly the problem.

        I have exactly the same rights as any other citizen, and I expect my right to exist however I well damn please within the confines of the law to be respected.

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          You are saying I will never fully belong here, regardless of what I do. And that’s exactly the problem.

          I have exactly the same rights as any other citizen, and I expect my right to exist however I well damn please within the confines of the law to be respected.

          I am telling you that you belong, as long as you are willing to respect the local culture, traditions and rules.

          If you disregard those you will also be disregarded, not because you might be of a different color but simply because you don’t respect others.

          Why is my need not to worry conditional?

          Why wouldn’t it be? It’s the same for me, if I won’t behave conforming the local culture&traditions I will also be excluded from that same society. This is not something weird that suddenly came up, this is common sense.

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            I am telling you that you belong, as long as you are willing to respect the local culture, traditions and rules.

            That’s where you are dead wrong. I belong. My traditions are the local traditions. No if. No conditions.

            If you don’t like it, try and do something about it.

            It’s the same for me,

            That’s not what you said back there. But I welcome you trying to walk back your drivel.

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              That’s where you are dead wrong. I belong. My traditions are the local traditions. No if. No conditions.

              Well if your traditions are the local traditions there is no issue here right? And there will always be conditions, that’s not for you to decide but the society you life in.

              If you don’t like to conform have fun living in the woods without any of societies benefits.

              Society is a two-way street, for everyone.

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                Listen man, it’s really simple. In a thread about rising anti-immigrant politicians you explicitly tied my right to exist in my own country to me conforming to nativist norms. That is a majorly fucked up thing to say.

                There are two cases here. If you don’t mean it, you are free to apologize. If you do mean it, own it.

                This “everyone lives in a society” stuff is just weak mealy mouthed equivocation.

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                  you explicitly tied my right to exist in my own country to me confirming to nativist norms. That is a majorly fucked up thing to say.

                  You know what is fucked up? Believing yourself too good to confirm to “nativist norms”. What the hell is even that? What do you even mean with your “own country” if you are not willing to conform to their way of life?

                  Being a citizen somewhere does not just mean living there. It means following the local customs and adhering to them.

                  This “everyone lives in a society” stuff is just weak mealy mouthed equivocation.

                  I mean, “every one lives in a society” is pretty clear cut. I seriously don’t get what’s hard about respecting the culture you want to live in.