Living in Russia I was told that US is the mortal enemy and everything is their fault. Living in the US I’ve learned that it’s actually Russia that is evil and Russians can’t be trusted.
It’s all bullshit. All major governments are playing their own game and citizens are just disposable pawns in that game. Hating each other because of where on the map we were born is just playing into that game. I love and miss my “motherland”. But my motherland is under siege and I can’t go back. The US is far from perfect, but if I still lived in Russia I’d be in jail or worse simply for what I’ve posted so far on Lemmy. Also, since I moved I’ve seen Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden as the president. In the old country it’s been Putin, Putin, Medvedev (Putin), and Putin.
nope. sorry, but your motherland hasn’t been responsible for nearly as much death and destruction as the USA. You think that having a different president means that there is some sort of functional democratic process that represents the people of the US? That is farcical. Sure, it might suck to be in russia and you could go to jail for the things you have said, but Russia is what it is today because of the US’s antagonism towards the soviet union and russia in particular. Russia as it exists now is a consequence of US involvement.. The US ruling-class doesn’t care about democracy or freedom in Russia. The soviet union had its contradictions and problems, but a lot of the soviet union’s problems were the direct result of US meddling. The US has been quite open about that, from its invasion in 1918 to its arming of right-wing extremists with the goal of killing as many soviets as possible. But working people in the US never really decided any of that, because the US government does not have either the form or the function of a governance body that represents working-peoples interests.
Just because you live in the US now, and your life might be better now, doesn’t mean that the US government isn’t the worlds villain… It is no matter how nice you have it there. You can check in with the millions of dead in southeast asia, or the millions dead and displaced in the middle east.
Oh fuck off with that. We could sit here all day copying and pasting Wikipedia articles about crimes against humanity committed by both nations. My life is better here. It probably could be even better somewhere else, but it’s not like moving countries is something people can easily do. You want the world to have a clear constant villain but that’s not how that works. US commuted genocides, Russia/USSR sure as shit did, same with China now. Every country has committed some kind of an atrocity in the recent past. It doesn’t meant that they can be forgiven, forgotten, or excused. All I’m saying is that neither the Russian or the American governments represent the people. It’s just that the foundation of America was built in individualism. And because of that the individual still have more rights and freedoms then in Russia.
Really? This is not my impression at all. On Reddit, it was too American sided, but I would rarely read any tankie comments, here it’s inevitable, they will brigade on any subject related to war or American influence. Although top comments and votes seem to be more moderate on Lemmy, you’ll consistently find highly upvoted replies with whataboutism, and rationalization or negation of Russian regimes’ crimes.
Reddit was a lot more ban happy. And because it had, and still has, a lot more users, a higher quantity of those users are going to hold radical views. So, you’d say something, it would get down voted to oblivion, a bunch of people would report you, and you’d get banned.
Here, at least, they’re mostly over on lemmygrad and don’t have power over other instances. They come out of the woodwork, but they don’t have the same silencing power they had on reddit. And this goes for both sides. “Conservative” subreddit marks almost every post as “flared users only”. They don’t ban you, they just don’t let you speak.
It really does feel like this place is more moderate and it’s very refreshing to see.
See how racist listening to americans makes you? You’re a “Russian orc” buddy, the slava ukrani brunch ghouls will never accept you, stop embarassing yourself.
“Please love America” -Russian guy
Living in Russia I was told that US is the mortal enemy and everything is their fault. Living in the US I’ve learned that it’s actually Russia that is evil and Russians can’t be trusted.
It’s all bullshit. All major governments are playing their own game and citizens are just disposable pawns in that game. Hating each other because of where on the map we were born is just playing into that game. I love and miss my “motherland”. But my motherland is under siege and I can’t go back. The US is far from perfect, but if I still lived in Russia I’d be in jail or worse simply for what I’ve posted so far on Lemmy. Also, since I moved I’ve seen Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden as the president. In the old country it’s been Putin, Putin, Medvedev (Putin), and Putin.
US isn’t “good”. But it is better.
nope. sorry, but your motherland hasn’t been responsible for nearly as much death and destruction as the USA. You think that having a different president means that there is some sort of functional democratic process that represents the people of the US? That is farcical. Sure, it might suck to be in russia and you could go to jail for the things you have said, but Russia is what it is today because of the US’s antagonism towards the soviet union and russia in particular. Russia as it exists now is a consequence of US involvement.. The US ruling-class doesn’t care about democracy or freedom in Russia. The soviet union had its contradictions and problems, but a lot of the soviet union’s problems were the direct result of US meddling. The US has been quite open about that, from its invasion in 1918 to its arming of right-wing extremists with the goal of killing as many soviets as possible. But working people in the US never really decided any of that, because the US government does not have either the form or the function of a governance body that represents working-peoples interests.
Just because you live in the US now, and your life might be better now, doesn’t mean that the US government isn’t the worlds villain… It is no matter how nice you have it there. You can check in with the millions of dead in southeast asia, or the millions dead and displaced in the middle east.
Oh fuck off with that. We could sit here all day copying and pasting Wikipedia articles about crimes against humanity committed by both nations. My life is better here. It probably could be even better somewhere else, but it’s not like moving countries is something people can easily do. You want the world to have a clear constant villain but that’s not how that works. US commuted genocides, Russia/USSR sure as shit did, same with China now. Every country has committed some kind of an atrocity in the recent past. It doesn’t meant that they can be forgiven, forgotten, or excused. All I’m saying is that neither the Russian or the American governments represent the people. It’s just that the foundation of America was built in individualism. And because of that the individual still have more rights and freedoms then in Russia.
Thank you for sharing your opinion despite the constant pressure of tankies here.
It was worse on Reddit.
Really? This is not my impression at all. On Reddit, it was too American sided, but I would rarely read any tankie comments, here it’s inevitable, they will brigade on any subject related to war or American influence. Although top comments and votes seem to be more moderate on Lemmy, you’ll consistently find highly upvoted replies with whataboutism, and rationalization or negation of Russian regimes’ crimes.
Reddit was a lot more ban happy. And because it had, and still has, a lot more users, a higher quantity of those users are going to hold radical views. So, you’d say something, it would get down voted to oblivion, a bunch of people would report you, and you’d get banned.
Here, at least, they’re mostly over on lemmygrad and don’t have power over other instances. They come out of the woodwork, but they don’t have the same silencing power they had on reddit. And this goes for both sides. “Conservative” subreddit marks almost every post as “flared users only”. They don’t ban you, they just don’t let you speak.
It really does feel like this place is more moderate and it’s very refreshing to see.
See how racist listening to americans makes you? You’re a “Russian orc” buddy, the slava ukrani brunch ghouls will never accept you, stop embarassing yourself.
Ok bud.
5 million dead buddy. You can’t nationalism that away unless you think brown people are subhuman.