• mayoi@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Tolerance is nonsensical bullcrap whose only purpose is mental masturbation.

    There are things I like and there are things I don’t like, deal with it. Can’t deal with it? Maybe don’t ask me anything and I won’t give you answers that might hurt you.

    The only thing that matters is basic human decency. Also I can’t match everyone’s values, me being truthful matters more to me than your feelings do and I won’t lie that I like X when I hate X. The common decency comes in like this - I won’t tell you I hate X if you didn’t ask. This is important in public jobs like medical care, I guess.

    If anything, the tolerance-pushing crowd is most intolerant one. You apparently MUST like X even if you hate X and if you hate X you in fact are wrong, which is retarded. I will like and hate whatever I want, fuck you. Streisand effect is also at play. There possibly exist things I absolutely hate but I’m not aware of and it’s not like I go outside looking for people to harrass for everything they do in their life.

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      11 months ago

      Edit: When I made this comment, his only said

      Tolerance is nonsensical bullcrap whose only purpose is mental masturbation.

      There are things I like and there are things I don’t like, deal with it. Can’t deal with it? Maybe don’t ask me anything and I won’t give you answers that might hurt you.

      He put the rest there to try to make it less shitty

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      You sound like someone who doesn’t understand the mutual benefit of society in general.

      Like sure, have your intolerance. Tell people exactly how you feel without a filter and then tell them to fuck off right after. No one is making you participate in the social contract. The point is that it’s a two way street, and you’re never going to be the guy receiving the benefit of the doubt.

      Just don’t be surprised when the only people who want your company are other intolerant assholes like you.

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        Also, you sound like you can’t tolerate my opinion which is different than yours. Pull your head out of your ass and read definition of tolerance again, this world isn’t black and white, it’s gray and black, but you seem to believe yourself the white one, which is pure evil because anything less than white is not white, but gray, meaning you cannot tolerate anyone who isn’t stuck up self righteous asshole like yourself.

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          Someone who comes to a post to argue against tolerance as a concept, who then turns around and accuses other people of not liking opinions that aren’t theirs (read:definition of tolerance), is rather ironic. And a little hypocritical.

          Again, you’re not exactly coming off as qualified to decide what tolerance is. Especially considering your first words are the personification of the paragraph that you just accused of me.

          Anyway, I just came back to point out the irony. Toodles

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            11 months ago

            It isn’t hipocritical, you claim to be tolerant, I’m pointing out you aren’t. You’re a piece of shit as a person and I’m glad I won’t see you anywhere but on internet.

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      You obviously have the right to like or dislike whatever suits you. But tolerance is a requirement for society to function. Our likes and dislikes come from individual perspective, and no one individual can see the whole picture. Tolerance is a way of accounting for that on an individual level by broadening the bounds of what we deem acceptable by some amount, which allows us to cooperate in a broader, complex society. Generally all this means is lending people the benefit of the doubt if they’re not actively harming someone.

      It’s hard to know what exactly pisses you off about this, because you haven’t mentioned specifics about what controversial opinions you have, only that you have a right to have them. And fair’s fair, some people would take some opinions away from you on social media platforms, or enact harsh penalties for holding hateful beliefs, and I am not really down with that. I’m optimistic about people and do my best to come at these things with respect, and believe in people’s ability to learn and grow. I’m wrong and learn things all the time, it’s a good thing!

      But man, I gotta say that grace is difficult to offer sometimes. I’m trans, and you’d be surprised how quickly “basic human decency” fades as soon as that comes up sometimes. One example of too fucking many: when I came out, my folks disowned me on the spot. They framed much of it in more or less the same rhetoric you use here - personal truth > your feelings, don’t bring it up if you don’t want my opinion, I can’t match other people’s values, “tolerant” people are actually the intolerant ones, etc. Between the accusations of autogynephilia and furious bloviating about the sanctity of their opinions, there was no room to just honestly talk - and so therefore, nobody learned anything.

      This line of thinking shuts down opposition by dominating the discussion with your opinions and feelings and crying foul when people feel the need to engage you about it. Unfortunately, this presents a brick wall that not only seals yourself from critique, but also seals yourself from having your views challenged and learning more about the world. It’s good for no one and only serves to weaken the social fabric of society.

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        tolerance is a requirement for society to function

        No it isn’t. Watch this. I stopped reading there because I’m indifferent to anything you have to say about it. And while that may annoy you now, eventually you will realize that it doesn’t affect you negatively whatsoever, this is how entire world works right now, you’re practically unaware of things happening outside your own street right now, and it works just fine.

        Everyone lives in their own small bubble, some people have only their family and their job. Some have that just more friends… But in the end most people pass by eachother without any reaction between one another whatsoever. Everyone has their own problems to deal with and frankly they are busy dealing with them and not caring about others. People who have no problems of their own can go and try pester others about theirs are very fortunate I guess, but that’s neither normal nor a thing that should be pushed onto everyone.

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          Very cute of you, but I’ve got bigger worries than whether or not internet strangers care about my opinion. Enjoy your bubble.

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              11 months ago

              Naw, it’s just the healthiest way I’ve found to approach people online. Lead with earnestness and a desire to understand, don’t sweat it when people shut you out - helps with finding the good folks in a hostile world. If you’re so truly indifferent, why respond in the first place?