“we respect the protests, but we will remove everyone that will protest”
the part “decide that don’t want to be a mod anymore” is so infuriating and unrespectful. Like they don’t know what’s goin on…
Subreddits belong to the community of users…
Spez, read that again. Slower this time.
It’s not even true though. Subreddits belong to the user who creates it, they become the top mod and delegate to other mods. If users don’t like how a subreddit is moderated, they are free to make their own subreddit - they aren’t supposed to take over someone else’s subreddit.
Dear person volunteering your time and effort for what you thought was a worthy endeavor. We’re trying to commodify your work so we can make a killing so don’t fuck it up for us.
Dear Spez,
I’ve learned that Reddit wants to profit from my content. I’ve therefore decided to monetize my content going forward. I have very reasonable rates of $50 USD per post. $75 USD for long posts.
I’m willing to discuss this with Reddit but these rates are nonnegotiable.
Honestly, mods should just force the issue and make Reddit replace them. It’s going to be a big problem if Reddit needs to find new moderators for hundreds if not thousands of subreddits. And that’s assuming all the new moderators will play along and not immediately join the protest, go on a tyrannical power trip, or just go dark after a few weeks.
Why would anyone even want to be a mod right now? It’s like your boss threatening to fire you from a job you’re not paid for while the building is actively on fire.
Mod of /r/homeimprovement here, that’s exactly what we are doing. We are staying dark and forcing them to replace us if that’s what they want to do at this point. We are at least going to make them work for it, lol.
That is what will happen though. A lot of mods have already been replaced.
Replaced by whom?
I get that some people will step up into being Mods, but modding is hard and thankless work - I’ve done it a few times over the years.
There’s always subs crying out for new Mods, so you’ll end up scraping the barrel for Mods, then the quality will go down, people will get pissed off. With thousands of Subs suddenly needing modding, there’s simply not enough volunteers to go around.
One of Reddits unsung resources was its army of Mods keeping the content of some quality (define that as you will). Reddit really is cutting its nose off right now.
Out of curiosity, how likely do you expect those reddit mods to move to lemmy? I see a bunch of retiring mods posts, but not many that have said they were moving here.
There will be lag, sometimes significant lag, in moving I think. Remember, the protests were about trying to save Reddit, and, failing that, making it as obvious as possible that Reddit’s about to shoot itself in the groin. People who have invested a decade or more building and running stable and growing communities kind of have to grieve the loss of the fruit of their labours.
I do think you’ll see many of them show up here relatively soon, as users. But the prospect of rebuilding from near scratch will probably take a little more time for people to wrestle with.
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Fuck em. God its nice to be able to say “fuck em” without having to worry about elon or spez getting butthurt and banning my account.
It’s pretty obvious that reddit needs these communities. But these communities don’t need Reddit, clearly.
Open it back up and just stop moderating it? Make them mildly infuriated that you’re acting your wage.
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that is a softening of language from a couple days ago, def feeling pain.
they dont realize there is no going back, thier path is now set.
I just deleted three of my reddit accounts. I am done. As an artist, I have more work to do on my primary current account. I feel I should delete my art from reddit so that they can not make money from my art and music.
“Reopen this, or else!”
But they’re carefully avoiding to say or else what. My guess is every next step option would cost them resources at the scale of subreddits they’re reaching out to, so they’re hoping that the empty threat alone will cause some to relent without costing them anything. Right?
What’s there to take? Like, these guys are working for free running on their enthusiasm and passion. You make them question whether the community is really worth their time, even if they relent for now, how does that do reddit any good? It isn’t like reddit has any actual power over the mods on their ultimate decision of quiting.
Unfortunately, from what I’m seeing in a lot of subs, it’s working. You do have protests from places like r/aww and r/pics doing the John Oliver thing, and r/Steam posting about literal steam. But it seems like on the large, threats of people losing their ability to give Reddit free labor is working to get subs back open.
Edit: r/pics changed, they’ve chosen total anarchy.
Here is what to do, use a script to delete everything from the sub and then delete the sub. If thry dont care about you, dont let them take yoyr sub and contiue making money.
i think they have backed up all the subs and accounts , illegally too
Illegally?? I very much doubt that they have written their TOS such that backing up their own servers is criminal
even after deleting everything every post they still have it on reddit then it’s b.s
I do think the question of who owns community content is nuanced. I put this comment here, you might say that means I own it and should be able to withdraw it - but it also doesn’t mean much of anything by itself, it needs your content to make sense. So who owns the discourse we are having? Me or you? Or whoever runs the server it is stored on - who must have some legal right to reproduce our content in order to provide the community space? Or the community as a whole? The combined content on Reddit represents an incredibly valuable store of information and learning - who does that belong to? Who should get to benefit from it?
A few days ago I didn’t have a single reason to leave reddit. Yet, with so many reasons now, here I am, and I look forward to lemmy and kbin.
Yeah, I ended up canceling my premium and I’m now using it to donate to lemmy / mastodon instances I’m migrating too. They (spez) has destroyed any (trust) chances of me going back too.
Ditto. I wasn’t happy but I thought they’d find some sort of compromise since being reddit, the replacement for Digg 2.0, they’d surely understand they can’t just be complete twats about it. Then they started denigrating/banning their own mods… Wtf?
There are still a few niche subs I’ll have to keep using reddit for for now, but for everything else I’m happy to move on. I’ll also be cancelling my reddit monthly subscription, obviously.
Moderating is volunteer work. *Spez exhibits unlikeable characteristics. Why volunteer for someone who exhibits unlikeable characteristics?
*Edited from “Spez is a narcissist. Why volunteer for a narcissist?”
“Narcissist” is a psychological term describing a person with NPD, a disability in ego regulation. There is no evidence that Spez is disabled, neurodivergent, or otherwise mentally disordered. Even if he did suffer from ego disability, there are plenty of good reasons to hate him, and hating someone for being disabled is a bad reason. Comments like this one contribute to the stigma faced by mentally disordered people.
OK; he has such a need for control that he modified toxic comments directed at him.
On November 23, 2016, a member of a subreddit dedicated to Donald Trump, /r/The_Donald, posted evidence indicating that Reddit administrators had modified multiple user comments inside the subreddit. Following this post, Huffman took responsibility for the comment modifications, writing, “Our community team is pretty pissed at me, so I most assuredly won’t do this again.” His administrative modifications involved changing one specific insulting phrase, in several comments, to make them appear as if the insults were directed toward the moderators of the subreddit instead of him.
https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-comments-chatl-1789342358
You might not like Ellen Pao, but it’s funny that the NBA sided with her comments against him in 2020:
When moderators protested in 2023, Spez compared them to Landed Gentry.
“And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”
Reddit was founded in 2005. In January of 2008, Reddit decides to let users create their own custom reddits, or subreddits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Reddit
So the Landed Gentry are from 2008 + (15 years). How many Parent-to-child hand-offs can you really expect in that time?
He belittles volunteers (moderators). He has manipulated the site. He is currently scrubbing the site of disparaging comments about himself now.
https://lemmy.world/post/392621
He is not someone to volunteer your services for. Moderation is like gardening. It’s a never-ending activity of pulling weeds.
You listed a lot of great reasons to hate Spez, and none of them are that he’s disabled. I said in my comment that there are plenty of good reasons to hate Spez, and that hating him for being disabled is a bad reason. It seems like we fundamentally agree on the premise that Spez is a garbage dickbag, and why. Since we agree so strongly, maybe you could edit your top level comment to remove the part where you call him a narcissist. That way we can focus on bad things that he’s done rather than an alleged disability.
Ok, I have edited my comment to “*Spez exhibits unlikeable characteristics. Why volunteer for someone who exhibits unlikeable characteristics?” better now?
Thanks
Narcissism has existed long before the DSM. I’m not certain why it should be inferred that someone is disabled or have NPD if they are simply a narcissist.
Because the term “narcissist” entered the public discourse as a shorthand for “person with narcissistic personality disorder”, and that’s what pop psychologists, self help book writers, and lifestyle gurus mean when they say narcissist. That’s where the word’s use in pop culture comes from. It refers to a person with an ego disability.
Fuck em. This is my first post on Lemmy and I’m happy it exists.
Does that also mean your first word on Lemmy is “fuck”?
