• the_q@lemmy.world
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    Every time someone posts a complaint question like this it turns out that the things they’re posting and getting banned, blocked it deleted for is something that should be banned, blocked it deleted.

    Lol little homie won’t give examples of what he posts. Wonder why…

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      Also, people are being incredibly rude for no reason. “Little homie”? And why are you assuming my gender? Weird internet stuff.

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      Can you not imagine a scenario where there are innocuous comments getting deleted? Do you really have that much faith in AI that you trust it would always make the correct decision in removing comments? Do I have to try to find other instances online of people being unable to post completely harmless comments that get deleted for seemingly no reason?

      I explained the reason why I’m not specifying the exact content, though I actually did give examples which people ignored and demanded to know more. Evidently, it would further distract from the actual question and stop people from answering it, and also it’s varied what gets deleted and doesn’t even follow a consistent formula.

      This is really disheartening, tbh.

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          So you’re incapable of imagining a hypothetical where even you agree that what I’m trying to say is completely innocuous?

          Or do you actually think that there’s no situation when an innocuous comment gets deleted (even though there are countless examples online of people in the same situation as me)?

          Honestly worrying if people have this much faith in auto-moderation systems.

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            Tell us your innocuous comment and we’ll tell you if we agree. Otherwise don’t reply.

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              It’s not one comment like I said. It’s at least 50% of the comments I make, completely harmless.

              Sometimes I might say things like “This is really messed up” and it gets deleted. Or often it’s not even that, like just random sentences. I literally can’t think of examples because it happens so often. As many other people can attest to, their account often seems to be unable to comment completely innocuous things while other accounts are able to. If you have supreme faith in AI and YouTube auto-moderation, then you might say “Whatever is happening, you deserve it.” Which seems to be the prevailing view here, sadly.

              But I just ask you to think a bit more compassionately and not assume the worst of people. There are many cases of similar situations that prove that there are completely innocent people having their comments removed for no reason. I’m thinking I might have to find one and post it here so people believe me.

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                See what I mean? I provide examples and no one cares. Just more downvotes. Just really toxic behaviour here. You are probably the ones who deserve to have your comments deleted more than me.

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                  First, it’s the responsibility of channel owners to delete comments. They can use an automod from Youtube itself, which is quite bad and often doesn’t delete comments that should be deleted.

                  So many channel owners use open source tools that are more capable and/or do manual moderation. And they do use banlists that automatically delete all comments by users on the banlist. Considering that you admitted that 50% of your comments are problematic and worth being deleted, you probably already are on many of these banlists.

                  Second, you didn’t provide examples (plural), but only one example: “That’s really messed up”. You didn’t provide any context. And depending on the context, this comment could be totally not ok. E.g.: “Poor people have a right to live” - “That’s totally messed up”.

                  And third: By your own admission, 50% of your comments are bad and deserve to be banned. Looking at your comment history, that’s a very favourable estimate. That is toxic behaviour and you don’t get any pitty points for being sad that you get blocked.

                  If you don’t want to be blocked, try to keep your toxic shitposting closer to 0% and not at 50%.

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    Hey, this is not me passing judgement, but trying to be informative since you are getting a lot of hate and seem confused by it:

    Your question and commenting style are 100% match for “concern troll”, and there are no signs proving otherwise, like concrete examples of your issue or honest answers to followup questions.

    Requests for examples are dismissed. You have commented at least 6 times that “I have given numerous examples” but all I can find is one comment where you say you wrote something like “that’s kinda messed up” which is both vague and contains zero context on what that comment responded to. No more examples.

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      I don’t know what concern troll is. But I’ve been accused of being a troll before which sucks. I’m not a troll.

      I’ve given other examples already like how I can’t mention brand names in any context and can’t say anything about certain governments, corporations or industries regardless of the content. Like literally anything about them, including positive or neutral.

      I also struggle to think of examples because it happens so often and I’m not recording them and they’re just random things I wouldn’t remember.

      Beyond that I shouldn’t have to say what gets deleted and I actually can’t think of examples because I’ve already forgotten about them. It’s usually completely random things.

      Also, the question is about alternate text characters. Some people were kind enough to understand this does happen to some people for no discernable reason, and either were empathetic but couldn’t help, while others actually gave some nice tips. Most people took this post as an opportunity to grill me about what the content was and assume the worst about me in a number of ways and insult me.

      It’s really whatever. This is a known problem if you look into it online and there’s even someone else in this comments section who said they experienced the same issues.

      Maybe it will become more well known and people will understand that these systems do not always work properly and often delete some people’s comments in some cases for no apparent reason, with mixed results. Assuming that they always work properly is just an illogical stance in my opinion. Technology is fallible, and especially AI and auto-moderation.

      This honestly reminds me of something. Before butt-dialing became well known, when it happened sometimes people would literally refuse to believe that the phone had dialled accidentally in their pocket. They thought that such an issue could never occur. Well, it did. And this is a real problem I’m talking about, and I am honestly innocent. I could easily be the same person as you, and if you were in this situation, I would be empathetic to it and I wouldn’t demand to know what you were commenting (especially when it’s literally lots of random things in various scenarios). If someone told me that they were having a technical issue like this, I would believe them. We need to believe each other more, I think. All this accusation of falsehood. I understand trolls exist, but we’ve all lost our minds if we assume everyone is a troll all the time. Tbh.

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        A concern troll would not use this opportunity to clarify, but instead respond to my comment evasively, deflect, play victim, and with a barrage of politely worded smokescreen.

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          Are you saying that’s what I’m doing? I honestly can’t tell. If you think that no matter what I say, I’m assumed to be a troll anyway, then I guess I can’t win. I did my best to clarify. My situation makes sense to me. I mean, I don’t understand what’s happening to me with the YouTube comments and why, or what the criteria is. But if I saw someone saying what I’m saying I think I would believe them. Saying you don’t know whether you believe me or not is one thing, and that kind of hurts. It’s more hurtful that people are 100% not believing me and assuming the worst of me. Do you actually think I’m a troll? Even now? Man this is crazy.

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            I don’t think the commenter is implying anything. They deliberately worded it very factually. You either fullfill that category or you don’t. They took care not to include that judgement.

            A few words of my own: Mind that YouTube does this deliberately. They don’t want you to know the exact rules. If you don’t know the exact limit, you won’t be able to ‘circumvent’ it and rephrase your comment to stay slightly below. That is by design. That’s also why there probably isn’t an answer to your question in the first place.

            Google anticipated what you’re trying to do and this is their answer. We can take informed guesses. But they’re frequently changing things around and adapting anyways, so there’s only so much you can do. And they’re known to do it with other of their products, too. Nobody knows how the Google search, or YouTube algorithm works, so they stay in control when it comes to search engine optimization and what get’s recommended on YT.

            It’s an old technique. With blurry borders, you gain the upper hand. People have to pull themselves together not to overstep (which is in your interest) and you can’t really be held accountable either, which is another plus. It’s a dick-move. Und unfair. But it works.

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    What sensible words are you saying exactly that are requiring alternate spellings to avoid detection?

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      It’s not even just words. It’s phrases that don’t contain any bad language at all. If you don’t know you don’t know. They’re silencing free speech. And like I said, completely sensible things that there’s no reason to delete, while toxic comments and foul language remain undeleted.

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          There are lots of different things that are deleted if you look at other people’s experiences with the same thing online. Reasonable criticism of governments or corporations and industries, referencing scientific studies, etc. It does not say anything the fact that I’m asking for a solution to this issue and I’m not interested in starting a debate here over the exact content that’s being removed. It does not breach any rules, it’s unproblematic, and should be allowed. If you don’t have a solution, then thanks but I’m not here to discuss why you don’t think we should be allowed to say certain things.

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            How can anyone help if you won’t provide specific examples of what is being filtered? Can you provide some example comments that were filtered?

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              Why would you need to know what was being removed in order to suggest a character format that doesn’t get deleted? That doesn’t make sense to me. The actual content is irrelevant.

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                No one’s been able to answer this very basic question. Just downvoting with no explanation even though your logic is flawed.

                What about knowing the specific content would enable you to suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed?

                If you could suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed, then knowing the specific content, which is varied anyway, would not change your ability to suggest that text character since you would be able to suggest it anyway.